The truth about vaccinations: Your physician knows more than the University of Google

Jennifer Raff —  August 14, 2013 — 1,250 Comments

“A cousin of my mom’s survived Polio and lived the rest of his life with its effects. He was not expected to live past his teens but made it to his 40s. I am grateful that modern science can protect us from Polio and other diseases and I choose to take advantage of modern science to give my kid better odds of not dying from a preventable disease. I had heard a lot of noise from people claiming vaccines caused Autism, but never saw any clear evidence. It just seemed to me like people really wanted to point to something as the cause and they latched onto vaccines.”–Jennifer

I have been getting into a lot of discussions about whether vaccines are safe in the last few days. I’m not sure if it’s because of a post going viral about a (terrible) Italian court ruling last year (In contrast, American courts side with doctors and scientists on vaccine safety) or Jenny McCarthy’s recent hiring as co-host on “The View”, or simply (as a friend suggested to me today) the fact that a new school year is starting soon and parents are having to provide vaccination records to schools.

“(I got my children vaccinated) because the science supports it and I don’t want my kids to die. And civic reasons. It’s so straightforward.”–Britta

Whatever the reason, this week I’ve been in many conversations with individuals staunchly against vaccinations, parents who are very upset at the idea of unvaccinated children putting their own kids at risk, and parents who are confused and worried and want to know how to make the best decision possible for their children’s safety. I’m writing this for the third group of parents.

What’s going on?
There has been a very steep decrease in the rate of vaccinations recently, particularly (but I want to stress not only) within communities of affluent, well-educated parents. [UPDATE: Keep in mind that there's considerable diversity among anti-vaccine proponents. A conservative religious community here in Texas, opposed to vaccines because "faith should be enough", is currently experiencing an outbreak of measles].

“It’s that whole natural, BPA-free, hybrid car community that says ‘we’re not going to put chemicals in our children,’” Shapiro told Salon. “It’s that same idea: ‘I’m going to be pure and I want to keep my child pure.’”

California law mandates that all students get vaccinated, but it also makes it easy to get exemptions for personal beliefs. And parents in tony places like Marin County are taking advantage of it in seemingly growing numbers. One public elementary school in Malibu, an affluent beach town just north of Los Angeles, reported that only 58 percent of their students are immunized — well below the recommended 90-plus percent level — according to Shapiro.

And it’s even worse in some of L.A.’s private schools, where as few as 20 percent of kids are vaccinated in some schools. “Yes, that’s right: Parents are willingly paying up to $25,000 a year to schools at which fewer than 1 in 5 kindergartners has been immunized against the pathogens causing such life-threatening illnesses as measles, polio, meningitis and pertussis (more commonly known as whooping cough),” she wrote. –from http://www.salon.com/2013/08/14/whats_with_rich_people_hating_vaccines/ (Emphasis mine)

This is particularly frustrating when there is overwhelming evidence that vaccinations DO NOT cause autism. As the wonderful blog Science Based Medicine puts it:

“At this point, the evidence is so utterly overwhelming that there is not a whiff of a hint of a whisper of a correlation between vaccines and autism that it has become irritating that antivaccine activists keep pressuring scientists to do the same study over and over again, coming up with the same results over and over again, and then seeing antivaccinationists fail to believe those same results over and over again. Apparently, antivaccine activists think that if the same sorts of studies are done enough times, there will be a positive result implicating vaccines as a risk factor for or contributing cause to autism.”

Why are parents choosing not to vaccinate their children?
I think there are several reasons, but they all may have some connection to misunderstanding of what the scientific evidence on this issue is, or resistance to perceived authority. In Western cultures, we’re accustomed to framing every public issue as two-sided. People who refuse to acknowledge that there’s legitimacy to the other side are “unfair.” I think this viewpoint is really muddling the vaccine safety conversation. When the media presents scientists on one side, and Natural News on the other, it’s creating a false equivalency. The anti-vaxxers have no credible scientific evidence supporting their position, but placing them opposite a scientist makes it seem like there are two legitimate sides to this debate. There aren’t. The simple fact is that there’s overwhelming scientific consensus that the MMR vaccine doesn’t cause autism.

“I unapolagetically vaccinate my kid, and it’s not just because that’s what you do, it’s because I really looked at what the science said and made a decision based on facts, evidence, and rational weighing of risk-benefit. I think the problem is that it’s easier to feel off the hook for risking your kids via inaction rather than action. But realistically, the risks of vaccination are so much less than the risks of what could happen if your child does get a vaccine-preventable disease, and you are also protecting those who *can’t* be vaccinated. That’s why I get a flu shot. Not because I am going to die of the flu, but to protect the elderly, infants, and immunocompromised folks I might come into contact with.” –Melissa (emphasis mine)

Do vaccines work?

Yes. Here are some of the diseases prevented with vaccinations:

 
   

from “Demographics of Unvaccinated Chidren”, National Network for Immunization Information.

Do vaccines cause autism?

No. As a starting point for you, here’s a roundup of trustworthy scientific resources for you to read on your own (everything is peer-reviewed, or contains links to peer-reviewed articles):

Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25349/

Vaccine Safety studies (a bunch of studies, with notes about what they mean): http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/vaccinestudies.pdf

Concerns about vaccine safety (this is really great, and written in layman’s language) http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/concerns-about-vaccine-safety

How do we know that scientists and doctors are right?

I’ve been asked about this quite a bit lately. One person asked me “why aren’t we getting peered reviewed research from other points of view?” The reason is quite simple: there isn’t any.

Scientific research works like this:
You start with the specific questions “Does the MMR vaccine cause autism?”, “Does the MMR vaccine increase the risk of inflammatory bowel disease?” and so forth. You then design a study to test that question. It’s not starting from one “side” or the other, trying to seek proof for it. That’s the way politics works, not science. When you get an answer, it’s either “yes” or “no” (actually it tends to be “there is a statistically significant association between this drug and this disease” or “there is NOT a statistically significant association between this drug and this disease.”) Your results are submitted to experts for peer review. These experts then go over your results and methods with a fine-toothed comb, trying to find weaknesses in your approach, or over-interpretation of the results. They evaluate your statistics to make sure that they’re correct. If they decide that it’s acceptable (and this is usually a very hard test to pass), your paper gets published and is considered “peer-reviewed.” But that’s not the end.

Studies are then done by other research groups to both test and build upon your results. While the initial screen by peer reviewers is very stringent, it doesn’t always catch mistakes, and can miss identifying faked data (for example, Andrew Wakefield’s paper got past peer review because the reviewers didn’t catch that his data were fraudulent). However, all scientific research is iterative–that is, it builds upon a foundation created by other research. So if your results are wrong, or faked, it will quickly become obvious to other researchers who try to replicate or use them. Scientific consensus is VERY hard to achieve. So when it happens, pay attention.

Why do I (and others) keep harping on “peer-reviewed” studies? Why do I (and others) refuse to acknowledge the truth of what X blogger says?

Science operates based on the philosophy that the truth is knowable if we design experiments correctly, and we do enough of them to rigorously test our hypotheses. And I hope that you know by now that anyone with a keyboard can make stuff up. Peer review is how we test that someone isn’t making things up. Experts in your field have to agree with your conclusions.

But what about Andrew Wakefield’s research?

“I got my son vaccinated after doing research about it. I had been going through birthing classes that were against it, but the scientist in me questioned what they were saying. I found the info about the falsified info about autism. I still couldn’t believe (and still can’t) that parents would hold chicken pox parties. I’d had chicken pox as a kid, and I know about shingles. It just made sense to me.”–Charity

Andrew Wakefield faked his data for profit. His medical license has been revoked as a consequence. It’s important that people know that the the link between vaccines/autism is based on an outright lie–most of the other authors on the paper have removed their names from it. You can read more about this story here:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/01/14/andrew-wakefield-great-science-fraud/

What are the consequences of not vaccinating your children?

“We chose to vaccinate Vera on a regular schedule, and to be honest I did not do extensive research. I read enough to know that the studies showing an autism link were bad science and I found a pediatrician I really trusted and talked to her about it. I also really do believe that those of us with healthy kids should vaccinate to protect children who have compromised immune systems.”–Faye

Harm to your child:

Penn and Teller illustrate this beautifully (if profanely: language NSFW)

To put it simply, your child is at risk of contracting a preventable disease.

Image from http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/images/1404.jpg

Many of us (myself included) don’t remember polio epidemics. This was the treatment. Image from http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/images/1404.jpg

What happens in the absence of our vaccination program? Read about it here: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

Harm to other children:

“Unvaccinated children are concentrated in particular states, increasing the risk of transmitting vaccine-preventable diseases to other unvaccinated children, undervaccinated children and fully vaccinated children.” http://www.immunizationinfo.org/science/demographics-unvaccinated-children

One person with whom I was discussing this issue (he has not vaccinated his kids, but does homeschool them) put forth a hypothesis:

“but if you are correct, i guess in the near future the progressive states will have noticeable outbreaks (and not just the ones you read about), ones that touch somebody you know, as more and more hippy parents stop vaccinating their kids. stay clear of the pacific northwest or perish. ahaha. nah, we are growing super strong natural kids for the future here, and not ones reliant on medicines from a lab. we are sprouting wings and soon we shall fly to furthest regions of the universe and beyond”

I agree with that hypothesis. Unlike the rest of his comment, it’s quite scientific. IF vaccines are protective, and IF parents are choosing not to vaccinate, we should be seeing outbreaks of those diseases in states where the rate of non-vaccination is highest.

This is indeed the case. Here are two examples:

Incidents of whooping cough (pertussis) are significantly higher in states that easily allow parents exceptions from the vaccination. In Washington state alone, there was a 1,300% increase in cases.
Have you ever taken care of a child with pertussis? I have. This is what it’s like (warning: video of children in pain):

And cases of measles infection in the United States have already doubled since last year.

That’s just the beginning. This post is already too long, but I urge you to go to the CDC’s website and read about recent outbreaks. They are tied to regions where vaccine rates are low.

Final thoughts

Googling and listening to what people tell you over on parenting message boards, “Natural News”, and similar sites is not the same thing as advice from a trained physician. I really believe that the vast majority of parents who are leery of vaccinating their kids are simply confused because they’ve been given bad information.

“We live in a society, and our actions have consequences for others. It’s our responsibility to protect our children and our neighbors’ children. Plus our ancestors could only have dreamed of something that would protect their children from these horrible diseases.”–Mary

Vaccination is not just to protect your own child. It’s also a moral and civic issue. Remember that we are incredibly privileged in our society to have access to vaccines. In many places around the world, people don’t have easy access to them, and there are even some places where aid workers are killed for trying to administer vaccines. Our privilege confers responsibility as well. By vaccinating your children, you are also protecting other children (and adults) who can’t be vaccinated. Here is a really great explanation of this, and the concept of herd immunity.

“I chose to have my first child vaccinated because I paid some attention in science classes and it works. I paid better attention in history classes and have a sense of the suffering various preventable diseases have caused in the past and I didn’t want that for my child. After my first born spent a week in the hospital with an infection, I feel much more strongly about having my second child vaccinated. In that case, it wasn’t something that could have been vaccinated against, but there is no reason and no excuse for subjecting your child to the risk of that kind of suffering over a preventable disease. It’s irresponsible and cruel.”–Eric

Wakefield, McCarthy, Kennedy and other leaders of the movement are deceiving you. They bear responsibility for the deaths of children. That’s why I keep speaking out on this issue.

I hope that I’ve provided you with a starting point from which to do your own research. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask me here, or on twitter, or by email (link at the top of this page), or–even better–ask your physician!

UPDATE: I wrote a tutorial/example of how to critically read a vaccine safety study here. If you wish to do your own research, I suggest that reading the primary, peer-reviewed literature is a vastly better approach than relying on books/Facebook memes/discussion forums. Hopefully the tools you’ll find in that post (and this one) will be helpful.

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Edited to remove Lyme disease from list of vaccine preventable illnesses. There’s a vaccine currently in clinical trials, but it’s not fully tested or available yet. Thanks to “justreadingyourblog” for pointing that out to me.

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1,250 responses to The truth about vaccinations: Your physician knows more than the University of Google

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    ou, the Author of this Article, are very biased. Have you ever read any literature, from educated people, about why people choose not to use Vaccines? You have only proven your own ignorance through what you have written. I suggest you have a look at some of the articles on NaturalNews.com by Mike Adams about Vaccines.

    Did you know pharmaceutical companies, with their obvious profit motive, educate doctors about how great their drugs are, and they often pay them very well to push them on people? Think that might cause any bias?

    Do you really believe you need to rely on a doctor to be healthy? If you do think a doctor is necessary for you to be healthy, then you probably do need one, and you’ll probably need a good psychiatrist down the road to help you once you’ve realized the full consequences of deciding not to take responsibility for your own health.

    Doctors are great for emergency surgery, but natural health education, and simply treating your body with respect will keep you more healthy than a vaccine will. Ever notice that most people getting the diseases there are vaccines for, are the ones who’ve taken the vaccines? It’s a sick mentality to rely on Doctors to keep you healthy.

    Unfortunate to see people give up their responsibility for themselves and their health and become guinea pigs for the medical industry.

    Please get educated BROADLY and then rewrite your opinion about vaccines.

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      Well said i agree,, there is so much information on vaccine injured people ..And deaths ..Even cases like in Africa were 69 children contracted a type of polio ,,from the oral polio vaccine ..These pro vaccine people fail to mention the dark history of vaccines ,and proven side effects …From SV40 to Cow pox puss injected in people etc etc etc …Vaccine inserts have side effects on them as well also…Also outbreaks of mumps ,whopping cough, measles are happening in the vaccinated …Always a one sided opinion ,repeating the same pharmaceutical corporate sales propaganda …When all you have to do is read a vaccine insert and see that = Vaccines have side effects ..Even expert immunologist etc are finding out major flaws in vaccinations =https://sites.google.com/site/vaccineillusion/whooping-cough

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        I have read many vaccine inserts; no one with ANY sense whatsoever would ever say that vaccines are 100% safe and effective. One of the reasons that the US has gone back to a “Salk-type” injected polio vaccine and moved away from a “Sabin-type” oral polio vaccine was the rate of mild cases of polio caused by the “attenuated” virus used in the oral vaccine. The oral vaccine is still used in under-developed countries because it IS effective in preventing severe polio in almost all of the people almost all of the time AND the storage requirements for keeping the vaccine from degrading and becoming ineffective are much less stringent than what are required for the injected vaccine. The effectiveness of vaccines against the diseases they battle is well documented with carefully designed studies, and the decreases in incidence of the diseases is significant. I certainly was fully vaccinated as a child. For instance, I received the full series of the Salk polio vaccines when that became generally available and then we had “Sabin Oral Sundays” where I received the full doses of that vaccine when it became generally available.

        For those of you who are so rabid in your fear of all things vaccination, I’m very sorry for you and your children. Most of you seem to prefer anecdotal evidence to scientific research, and while it can be very impressive to say “in my family” or “read this blog” or “read the news reports about”, you will NEVER get a balanced presentation of facts from these sources.

        Also, while the pharmaceutical companies in this country make huge profits on newly introduced medications, most of the vaccines in use provide minimal profits to those companies; and in other countries where the vaccination rates are as high or higher than what we have in the USA, their profits are severely limited by the governments of those countries. So, the profit motive is minimal in this area of medication preparation, distribution, and administration.

        Ah well. I know this won’t convince those who distrust vaccines, but at least I have the comfort of knowing that, via my comments on this blog, I’ve done what I can to support Jennifer in her attempts to provide science-based information to the public on this subject.

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          Michael Slater March 15, 2014 at 4:46 am

          Troll, and paid mouthpiece.

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            If I were a paid mouthpiece of anyone I’d never have had to work the hours I worked in over 40 years as a registered nurse, including my years as an instructor in various schools of nursing. And I’d be wealthy rather than needing to live on my pensions and social security. It’s so very easy to resort to name calling and blaming when one really would rather not research the depth and breadth of information available on a subject, especially when that information does not align with one’s personal beliefs. You have my sympathy, and if ever someone near and dear to you suffers permanent disability or death from a preventable disease, you’ll also have the sympathy for your loss from most of the doctors and nurses who provide the care required.

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            I find it hysterical that anti-vaxxers call everything vaccine related as “crowd-think” and do not for one second question or concern themselves with the pot calling the kettle black.

            Reading a pseudoscience blog and opinions and translating them as facts is not educating yourself. Dismissing any and all studies supporting vaccinations as falsified or doctored (no pun intended) is not educating yourself.

            I am fully willing to support no vaccines if and when the evidence is overwhelming in its facts that vaccination has no value.. But as of right now, right this minute? No such luck. We are seeing a resurgence of diseases not reported in years and years.. Specifically the ones that have vaccines.. This alone is its own evidence to support that vaccination has an affect..

            To deny that nearly dormant diseases are suddenly upon us as if nature spontaneously decided without help from any source? It is uneducated at best and purposefully ignorant at worst..

            Why is it so hard to consider that vaccines have a sound purpose and so easy to believe that it’s all some stupid conspiracy theory?

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          What science-based information? It is easy to manipulate the study data to reflect what the pharmaceuticals want as an outcome. Let me give you one example of thousands so that you may want to explore the truth. So sad as to see another fall for the vaccine propaganda. Their are millions spent on vaccines every year http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/awardees/vaccine-management/price-list/index.html?s_cid=cs_000 and though the profits may not be as high (20%-150% profit the CDC makes selling to the private sector) as pharmaceutical drugs the acute and chronic disease and lifelong disabilities that vaccines cause make billions more in profit for the pharmaceuticals drug pushers and cost the tax payer, the economy and the families of those damaged by vaccines BILLIONS MORE financially and an immeasurable amount in emotional and psychological cost including the financial cost to take care of the vaccine injured.

          There are thousands of adverse reactions to vaccines.

          Possible Adverse Effects from the Flu Vaccine

          An article in JAMA estimated that 1:4000 will experience an adverse reaction, a lot more than the one in millions that we are quoted or see written.
          Reference: JAMA, June 19, 1999 vol. 281, no.21, pg.2132

          Vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) – Voluntary reporting system for adverse reaction to vaccines that was formed in 1986 to compensate citizens for injuries. It was set up because the government knows that vaccines can cause injuries and death and considers those results as a necessary sacrifice for the common good. Anyone can report adverse reaction to vaccines including parents, health workers or the one who experienced the adverse reaction. The FDA states that 1% to 10% of all Adverse Reactions are reported. To more accurately estimate the numbers of adverse reactions reported to VAERS for a specific vaccine, you must multiply the VAERS number by 10 to 100 because only 1%-10% of adverse reactions are reported.
          NOTE: Adverse events are compared to doses distributed, not to doses administered, therefor expressed as a percentage of actual administered doses, adverse events could be significantly higher as no one knows how many doses are in storage.

          At a CDC conference call for 2009-2010 flu season there was 16, 234 adverse reactions to the flu shot. You can multiply that by at least 10 for a more accurate number of adverse reactions (162,340).

          Of the adverse reactions reported for the flu shot: Again multiply all statistics by at least 10 for a more accurate number.
          46 were fatal x 10
          605 x 10 considered non fatal – Ranges from hospitalization to a sore arm or rash etc.
          93 x 10 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) from the swine flu shot. 1:20 is fatal for someone that develops GBS.
          112 x10 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) from the seasonal flu shot. 1:20 is fatal for someone that develops GBS.
          Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) occurs mostly from the flu shot and Hep-B, but can be the result of other vaccines as well. It affects the nervous system and the patient gets ascending paralysis that starts in your feet and goes on up both legs and can reach your diaphragm and are placed on a ventilator or you die. A patient will usually spend 2 days to 6 months in the hospital and usually on a ventilator (modern day IRON LUNG). In a severe case you may go through months or even years of rehab and may never gain complete function back. The CDC’s position is that the number affected statistically is insignificant compared to the number of shots administered. But when it happens to you it is very significant. It is also very significant the amount of health care dollars spent to help these victims recover not to mention there personal loss and the economic loss. In the 2009-2010 flu season there was a 125 reported of GBS and 64 were verified to be caused by the flu shot. There were 268 reports of Anaphylaxis and 115 were verified to be caused by the flu shot. The vaccine injury court had 433 injuries filed and 26 deaths=459 claims. 144 were compensated, 43 were dismissed and 272 had pending claims. The average for claims filed that get some kind of compensation is 25%. The vaccine court looks for ways not to admit vaccine(s) caused the injuries and tries every way possible to dismiss every case so as not to openly admit that vaccines do cause death and damage..

          The cost for one vaccine induced disease (GBS) in a 2004 Study in Neurology, The Official Journal of the American Academy of Neurology stated that “it costs the U.S., 1.7 billion a year to take care of these GBS patients or $319,000/patient due to vaccine induced GBS and most of the indirect costs were due to premature deaths.” If the government & Pharmaceuticals reached their goal of 100% vaccination in the world with 7 billion people that would come out to 1.6/1,000,000 vaccine induced GBS x 7 Billion = 11,200 cases x $319,000 = $3,572,800,000 health care dollars.

          Adverse Reactions to the Flu Shot:
          A. Painful abscesses, nodules, ulcers, draining lymph nodes.
          B. Flu like symptoms – Induction of fever, muscle and joint pain and headaches. This is a aha moment!! It sounds like the symptoms of Flu! Again pointing out that there is no way to assess or measure if the virus is dead.
          C. Anaphylaxis(shock), Hives, Vasculitis, Systemic toxicity to tissues and organs
          D. Immune suppression leaving you more susceptible to acquiring disease.
          E. Induction of autoimmune arthritis and other autoimmune disorders
          F. Carcenogenesis (causing cancer),
          G. Teratogenesis (associated with birth defects) and Abortogenesis (causing abortions)
          H. Local or acute inflammation including encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) causing all types of neurological disease including autistic Spectrum Disorders (ASD)
          Reference: Expert Review of Vaccines in 2003: Kenney RT, Edleman, R. “Survey of human-use adjuvants.” Expert Review of Vaccines, (2003) p. 171

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            Sulivanthepoop June 6, 2014 at 1:31 pm

            I am not sure you understand how ridiculous it is to think that 99% of research scientists, doctors, professors, chemists, nurses, epidemiologist, etc are just lying in every country in the world and somehow getting paid by someone when there isn’t enough money involved to pay off all those people. Talk about blindly following the crowd.

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          The profits from the vaccines themselves may be minimal (Idk for a fact) but what about all the drugs they offer for the 1001Ailments that have become popular in the last 20 year’s, whose ads spam every channel. The list of side effects are longer and sometimes worse than the disease itself. Don’t trust these people. Get a strong, natural immunity the way nature intended.

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            “Get a strong, natural immunity the way nature intended.”

            How? Explain clearly how one would do this without actually getting sick from a disease, and do include verifiable documentation that it would really really work.

            For instance, how would you have saved the three babies in California who died from pertussis this year? See: California’s pertussis epidemic escalates, health officials report.

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              The way the body develops a strong immune system is by feeding it the proper food. Most of the food you buy in the store these days isn’t proper food because it’s produced using gmo growth hormones and sprayed with poison to kill the bugs. And that, sadly, isn’t the half of it. If the mothers of those children were using any form of pharmaceutical medication, chances are that wasn’t helping either. So, assuming they were educated enough to breast feed their child, their milk would have been severely lacking due to poor nutrition due to consuming “un-food” and possibly using medications. Thus the mother’s immune system isn’t as strong as it should be and that weakness is transferred to the child. And yes, everything I’m saying is backed by hard evidence provided for us by very qualified scientists and doctors; some of whom actually worked for corporations such as Monsanto. We don’t need vaccines, we need people to become informed of the truth about what’s in the food they’re eating. .

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                I suspect that you are not capable of explaining in detail how “the proper food” “develops a strong immune system”; I doubt you could even describe in technical detail what physical properties differ between “proper food” and “un-food”, how “pharmaceutical medication” actually weakens children, what nutrients are missing from the milk of mothers who eat GMO food, or any other specific facts that would tend to justify your conclusion.

                You seem to be using these words and phrases as a kind of magic mantra. But your gut feeling that foods you don’t think feel “natural” undermine the immune system is just that: a gut feeling. Announcing that it’s “backed by hard evidence” does not make it so.

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        69 vaccine induced polio cases
        50,000 pre-vaccine cases, USA 1952

        Hmmmm. Which looks like a better deal?!

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      Mike Adams is not a doctor, nor does he have any formal training. He is an AIDS denialist. He is considered by doctors and scientists to be a spreader of pseudoscience. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaturalNews

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        Michael Slater March 15, 2014 at 4:47 am

        Another troll, paid for in blood, the lives of vaccinated children.

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          Simple-minded food-worshipping naturopath shill. Why do you spread lies about safe and effective vaccines? How much are they paying you? You whore yourself out like a common prostitute and terrify parents into letting their kids sicken and die from measles and meningitis so you can sell them untested potions and useless homeopathic paste instead. You are a fraud and a liar, and the cost of your lies is incalculable.

          How the hell do you live with yourself?

          (FYI – The “Shill” accusation can always be flung in BOTH directions, shill).

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          You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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          How do you spend blood, though? I’m pretty sure my local grocery store doesn’t accept it. Blizzard might, though. My friend has been asking me to get back into WoW.

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        And all such article son wikipedia is controlled by the pseudo-sceptics, as report after report has proven. NOT a reliable source for anything controverisal.

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      According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, no scientific study has found a link between vaccines and autism. Technically correct. Kinda lying by omission. Vaccines can cause encephalitis and encephalitis can cause autism. Ask your cranky baby if he or she knows they had a bout of encephalitis.
      Just look around to see what know it all science is doing to our planet and now our children with vaccines. Think of all the unnecessary hysterectomies, mastectomies, and prostate surgeries.

      Do you get it? The processes of the human body are so complex, so interdependent, that entered drugs and vaccines are time bombs.

      We are chemical beings. The chemicals we need are sorted and distributed from the food we eat and the air we breath. Chemicals, such as aluminum adjuvants in vaccines, put into the body directly have no purpose and are basically left to their own devices.

      I doubt if 1 doctor in a 1000 has vaccinated his child in the past 5 years. A count of doctor’s children that became autistic in the past 5 years would break the vaccine bubble once and for all.

      A very telling aspect of this “controversy” is that the vaccination victims are concerned and polite and the pro vaxers are angry and nasty.

      Remember the origin of the military grade anthrax that was sent to Tom Daschlel? http://www.commondreams.org/headlines.shtml… Take a guess where these childhood disease outbreaks come from.

      People don’t connect the omniscient godlike portrayal of doctors on television with medicine for profit. It’s time they should.

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        Michael,
        I am glad to burst your little bubble. My niece, an emergency room physician in a children’s hospital, has most definitely had her child vaccinated within the last 5 years — as he is fully vaccinated and 6 years old. Her sister and brother-in-law — the brother-in-law being also a physician — have had all 3 of their children, the oldest being in kindergarten, fully vaccinated as appropriate for their ages. Every physician I’ve ever, as a nurse, trusted, has had his or her children fully vaccinated. I wouldn’t trust a physician who wouldn’t vaccinate those he/she loves (unless medically contraindicated due to immune disorders or allergies) to provide competent, much less good, care to me or mine. What amazes me is how many parents are willing to risk encephalitis, sterility, blindness, etc. in their children by exposing them to the risks of measles or mumps. And any woman of childbearing age, not known to be immune to rubella (German measles) who might, possibly, under any circumstances be pregnant, would be insane to go out in public and risk exposure to rubella. Especially if contracted within the first 3 months of pregnancy, rubella can cause severe birth defects and developmental delays. Hospitals will not allow a nurse, a student nurse, a physician, a medical student, any person subject to screening by the hospital (that is, anyone other than a patient or visitor) near areas in the hospital where pregnant women congregate for care, classes, or whatever, unless that person has a lab test result on file proving immunity to rubella. Well, an chicken pox (varicella), and measles. They won’t risk inadvertent exposures that can be prevented with this simple measure. If you have a religious objection to vaccinations you can attend public schools, but you can’t work in most hospitals.

        And, PLEASE, before you start another screed about big pharma — big pharma is a big problem in the USA — but a remarkably minor or non-existent problem in most 3rd world countries where there are no profits to be made on vaccines — but where vaccines save countless lives every year.

        If you want popular, medical, nursing, or public health (ie, not written by doctors or nurses but written by persons with advanced degrees in epidemiology and similar sciences) literature references to support what I’ve said, please post a reply here on Jennifer’s blog and I’ll assemble the requested information. Do not expect me to trust the science knowledge of someone who has spent few if any hours at the college and graduate school levels studying that part of science on which he/she is opining. Brilliance in one area of knowledge or in one part of life doesn’t not imply even competence in another, even in a related, area of science or life. And common sense, in science, is only found in people who’ve done a great deal of studying in that science. If you doubt that, try applying your common sense to explaining quantum mechanics and photosynthesis — both, not one or the other, please.

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          Americans, us Baby Boomers, did very well without this vaccine madness. I have plenty of common sense. I see the TV ads for a plethera of wonder drugs and their horrific accompanying side effects and I understand vaccines are nothing more than drugs called vaccines.. When you figure out where vaccine residue winds up and tell me which vaccines the Merck Manual Home Health Handbook is referring to that can cause encephalitis you just may get my attention.
          “And common sense, in science, is only found in people who’ve done a great deal of studying in that science.”
          You seemed to have let that boat sail.
          Speaking of horrors did you read about the idiots who wanted to have anthrax vaccine study done on babies? Did you read about the soldiers who were killed/maimed by anthrax vaccine? Or the young women who were killed/maimed by Gardasil?

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            Michael, I was born in 1947 — how about you?

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            My FB picture is there for all to see. Are you calling shotgun or seniority? Hancock330 what happened to the topic? “Speaking of horrors did you read about the idiots who wanted to have anthrax vaccine study done on babies? Did you read about the soldiers who were killed/maimed by anthrax vaccine? Or the young women who were killed/maimed by Gardasil?”

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            “Americans, us Baby Boomers, did very well without this vaccine madness.”

            The ones who survived did! The ones who died aren’t around to talk about it, are they? Fucking dunce.

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              Perfect example of the pro vaccine people mentioned here, Shank. Mean & nasty. Why is that? Always eager to parrot the deception they beLIEve in. If they really do. Some don’t but swear by vaccines for profit. It is all coming out in the wash.

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                “Some don’t but swear by vaccines for profit.”

                I am very curious about this. Are you expecting a company to sell its products at a loss?

                Also, if we decided to shut down all vaccine manufacturing, would that save any money? So if we go back to the way it was fifty years ago when every child caught measles before turning fifteen, how much would be saved? Since about one in ten who get measles end up in the hospital for things like pneumonia and encephalitis (which is what happened in the Wales measles outbreak not too long ago), would that cost less than providing each child with two MMR doses?

                By the way, one dose of MMR costs about $20 through the Vaccine for Children Program, so that is forty dollars per child (or a bit over a hundred in the private practice. Hospital costs are usually in the over ten thousand dollar range, so if one in ten is treated, that works out about to at least a thousand dollars average per child. Lots of it going to pharmaceutical medications.

                To me it seems like vaccines provide less profits to Big Pharma than treating the diseases. But you must have some other real data. Please provide the economic data showing that treating a disease is more cost effective than preventing it. Something that is comparable in quality, but refutes Economic Evaluation of the Routine Childhood Immunization Program in the United States, 2009. Thank you in advance.

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            Your generation also grew up with tobacco smoke permeating every building and environment in existence, I suppose you “did just fine” with the effects of that, too.

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            1952: 3000 polio deaths in the USA.
            Where’s you borrow the picture of the old guy. I mean, I’d figure it was dementia except the short-term memory goes first, the long-term remains.

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          Hancock330. You are saying because of 4 children you know that are vaccinated that vaccines are safe? An article in JAMA estimated that 1:4000 will experience an adverse reaction, a lot more than the one in millions that are quoted or written.
          Reference: JAMA, June 19, 1999 vol. 281, no.21, pg.2132
          So far those children are very fortunate. I would never gamble with my children’s health or lives once I was fully informed. This means you actually explore and research the other side of vaccination without prejudice. There are plenty of experts in the same fields that you want to believe in and most of the research backs up the anti-vaxxers as people on your side of the belief system call us. I wonder if you will have the foresight to connect any allergy, autoimmune diseases, or any other illness to vaccination in the future with these children or if you will be like the medical community and automatically write it off as the children being defective. How about noticing how much sicker they may become compared to their non-vaccinated counter parts. Bet you did not know that an allergy or autoimmune disease can occur up to 7 years after their last vaccine. You are using your family because they are in the medical field, the same field that is taught by the pharmaceuticals and are the puppets of the government and corporations and have lost most critical thinking skills and we should take comfort in knowing this? What is your point? Dr. OZ who is well known and trained by the same medical mafia system does not vaccinated his children but recommends that everyone else receive vaccinations with his hysterics about a 2009 pandemic that never occurred. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBvh7EumNo. Does he know something that all you pro-vaxxers do not know? A little education would open your mind to the truth. Parroting what you have been told and what you have heard does not make it truthful or factual.

          I will use one of many examples of the lies from the CDC and FDA that gullible people swallow hook line and sinker and than parrot what they are told or heard prove it completely false.

          The below is taken straight from the CDC website

          http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

          MISCONCEPTION #2. The majority of people who get disease have been vaccinated.

          This is another argument frequently found in anti-vaccine literature – the implication being that this proves vaccines are not effective. In fact it is true that in an outbreak those who have been vaccinated often outnumber those who have not – even with vaccines such as measles, which we know to be about 98% effective when used as recommended.

          This is explained by two factors. No vaccine is 100% effective. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients. For reasons related to the individual, some will not develop immunity. The second fact is that in a country such as the United States the people who have been vaccinated vastly outnumber those who have not. Here’s a hypothetical example of how these two factors work together.

          In a high school of 1,000 students, none has ever had measles. All but 5 of the students have had two doses of measles vaccine, and so are fully immunized. The entire student body is exposed to measles, and every susceptible student becomes infected. The 5 unvaccinated students will be infected, of course. But of the 995 who have been vaccinated, we would expect several not to respond to the vaccine. The efficacy rate for two doses of measles vaccine can be higher than 99%. In this class, 7 students do not respond, and they, too, become infected. Therefore 7 of 12, or about 58%, of the cases occur in students who have been fully vaccinated.

          As you can see, this doesn’t prove the vaccine didn’t work – only that most of the children in the class had been vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated and did not respond outnumbered those who had not been vaccinated. Looking at it another way, 100% of the children who had not been vaccinated got measles, compared with less than 1% of those who had been vaccinated. Measles vaccine protected most of the class; if nobody in the class had been vaccinated, there would probably have been 1,000 cases of measles.

          1. The CDC admits that 5%-15% (average of 10%) of Pt’s receiving the vaccine will not develop an antibody. The CDC’s and FDA’s goal is to reach a vaccination rate of 95% for their fictitious herd immunity concept. So if everyone is vaccinated that means only 90% may develop an antibody, far short of their 95% goal and their herd immunity goal
          2. The CDC admits those that are vaccinated and contract the diseases often outnumber those that contract the diseases and have not been vaccinated and says that the MMR is 98% effective. Maybe, only in producing antibodies and not provoding protection from the disease as the bottom links verify.
          WHY DO THE PT’S WHO ARE VACCINATED CONTRACT THE DISEASE IF THE VACCINE IS SUPPOSE TO PREVENTS THEM FROM CONTRACTING THE DISEASE? THIS QUESTION IS NEVER ADDRESSES. IT IS WHITE WASHED AND IGNORED AS THE ABOVE CDC STATEMENT DID.
          A. Measles Vaccines Part I; Ineffectiveness of Vaccination and Unintended Consequences. ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/#sthash.IkN1s6jA.dpuf
          B. Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles ~ by Dr Viera Scheibner (PhD) – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/#sthash.TAutcPvL.dpuf

          A necessary tutorial on the immune system so that you will understand why vaccines do not protect us from disease
          A. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/10/basics-of-the-human-immune-system-prior-to-introduction-of-vaccines-are-vaccines-turning-our-children%E2%80%99s-immune-systems-inside-out/
          B. http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/21/risks-damage-basics-of-the-human-immune-system-prior-to-introduction-of-vaccines-are-vaccines-turning-our-childrens-immune-systems-inside-out-part-2/
          READ THE ARTICLES AND LISTEN TO THE SHORT VIDEOS THAT BLATANTLY DISPROVES THEIR LIES TO THE MASSES

          short videos of recent outbreaks within the the vaccinated (not protected as advertised) and caused by the vaccinated.
          A. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/03/31/new-york-measles-outbreak-90-vaccinated/
          B. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/04/03/ohio-mumps-outbreak-97-vaccinated/
          C. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/03/25/mumps-outbreak-involves-highly-vaccinated-students/
          D. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/01/31/cfr-council-on-fake-realities-vaccine-created-outbreaks-map/
          E. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2014/04/04/fda-vaccine-insert-lists-autism-as-adverse-reaction/
          F. http://experimentalvaccines.org/2013/10/09/91-fully-vaccinated-involved-in-pertussis-outbreak/

          G, 17 more vaccine failures

          http://vactruth.com/2013/02/23/17-examples-of-vaccine-failure/

          H. http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/23/measles-outbreak-traced-to-fully-vaccinated-patient-for-first-time/

          After over 1,000 hours of research on my own I was compelled to create a source of factual information for those who want to learn more about the who, what, why and how of vaccination and become fully informed with a purpose to encourage independent research and not parrot what someone has heard all of their lives.

          http://www.slideshare.net/db61/exposing-the-myth-of-vaccination-essential-information-you-need-to-know-to-be-fully-informed-30978670

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            Sorry, was there a mistake in your original citation? I looked it up and it doesn’t exist. No. 21 was published June 2nd. Page 2132 was in No. 22 issued June 9th and has nothing to do with what you’re referring to. Perhaps you could clarify?

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        “I doubt if 1 doctor in a 1000 has vaccinated his child in the past 5 years.”

        I doubt if the handful of brain cells you have to rub together are in any way interconnected. Vaccines work, period. That’s why we don’t see kids with calipers on their legs or skins ravaged by smallpox anymore.

        I’ll bet that you haven’t vaccinated any of your own children, but exposed them to unnecessary and serious risk from totally preventable diseases such as measles and mumps. Diseases that could kill them. However, if they end up as silly and shrill as you, they won’t be a great loss to humanity, and I can’t think of a simpler or more effective way of chlorinating the gene pool.

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      On the money syerodriguez. Measles is a rash and a fever. It is not a deadly disease. Nor are the overwhelming majority of diseases on the vaccine “schedule.” If you neglect a sick child or anyone who has a normally mild disease he or she could die.

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        Measles most certainly can be a danger disease. Part of your ignorance may stem from how effective vaccination has been in preventing it completely as well as moderating the severity for those who do contract it. Measles can cause the very encephalitis with greater frequency by far than vaccination but you carefully omit that. It can cause blindness, deafness and, yes, death.

        Since I was unfortunate enough to be born too soon for the vaccines, I had all of what were then called the usual childhood diseases. I had measles in first grade and clearly remember how sick I was nearly sixty years later. My fever was very high and they considered hospitalization. Before the rash in the prodrome I was violently nauseated and vomited repeatedly. My little body hurt all over and I was confined to a darkened room for more than a week. And that was a normal case, not an unusually severe one.

        Every time we had a thunderstorm in my hometown most of us worried about the young woman in the house on the hill who depended on an iron lung as a result of polio. A power failure meant she would die if no one could manually crank it. A close friend went through dozens of surgeries for polio damage and in middle age developed post polio syndrome.

        I’ve watched a young cancer patient endure the added pain of whooping cough caught from an unvaccinated relative with “religious” objections to immunization. I’ve been through the misery of shingles because I’ve had now preventable chicken pox. And I’ve t as taken the shingles vaccine in hopes of having it again.

        In truth, I really don’t care what the excuse for your criminally ignorant opposition to vaccine is, what I care about is the truth and the safety and health of all.

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        My sister died of measles. It can be a deadly disease. Please check your facts.

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      Your Dragon’s Breath, Eye Of Newt, Lavender, Eucalyptus, Goldenseal potion will not save you, bring you peace, or change the disease for which you take it for..

      I love the hypocrisy of “Naturalists”.. You’ll shop at Whole Foods while stopping to put gas in your car.. You’ll push your nose up at medical science while popping Tylenol for your headache after your Lavender oil refuses to work of course..

      You can’t even agree to disagree.. If you want to live your hypocrite lifestyle then I will fight to the death for your RIGHT to do so.. I wish more for you and your families then dying by preventable situations, but if you don’t agree? Then I wish you the best and hope you get it before anything gets you..

      But you WILL NOT do the same.. We have NO RIGHTS as long as we believe that modern medicine might be ok.. Us who believe in giving ourselves what we consider the best chance at safety..

      Of course healthy eating has an affect on you.. We as Americans (particularly low to no income) eat horrible diets. So anything that brings more nutrients is going to have an affect.. That’s not ever in question.. What IS in question is the fact that having proper nutrition may keep you from getting a common cold or some types of flu’s however.. And a BIG however.. There are some diseases which do not care how Crunchy Organic you are.. And those of us who are old enough to have family or experienced the fallout from horrible diseases.. We know why they’re coming back and how they will destroy a large percentage of lives..

      Again.. I get it.. You’re going to cite your conspiracy theory blogs and angry citizen websites to support your claims. You’ll disregard any form of medical science in favor of “Expert Mommies” websites and rhetoric.. And I’m ok with that because it’s your RIGHT to believe your truth as you see fit..

      Can you do the same? Can you fight for OUR RIGHT to disagree with your choices? Can you fight to the death OUR RIGHT to see validity in medical science?

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      Holy shit. She already addressed all of your points in the piece. And Jesus Christ God Almighty. You’re telling me it’s all one huge conspiracy? And to read some internet site instead of scientific literature?! Do you understand the kool aid you have drank. This is insanity. The author IS educated, has provided nothing but education to easily and clearly debunk everything you are saying. You simply do not want to accept it.

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      Actually, pharmaceutical companies make very little money on vaccines. Drugs like beta blockers and statins are much more profitable, since they tend to be required for life.

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      ” I suggest you have a look at some of the articles on NaturalNews.com by Mike Adams about Vaccines.”
      Yeah, and then I’ll read some equally informative articles from the Discovery Institute about evolution.

      “Doctors are great for emergency surgery, but natural health education, and simply treating your body with respect will keep you more healthy than a vaccine will. Ever notice that most people getting the diseases there are vaccines for, are the ones who’ve taken the vaccines?”

      Would you kindly explain why there is no more smallpox in the world any more? Was it because of people ‘treating their body with respect’? Or was it because of mass immunization programs? And then you go on to say “Unfortunate to see people give up their responsibility for themselves and their health..” What a hypocrite. Those who refuse to be vaccinated but instead like to ‘naturally exercise’ their immune systems are simply freeloading off the herd immunity of the vaccinated majority.

      You’re stupid, but not stupid enough not to spread dangerous falsehoods.

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      Owen Glendower April 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      “Ever notice that most people getting the diseases there are vaccines for, are the ones who’ve taken the vaccines?”

      You should do some reading yourself. Recent outbreaks of measles and whooping cough are occurring in UNVACCINATED populations. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

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      Either a troll, or incredibly stupid. ‘I suggest you have a look at some of the articles on NaturalNews.com…’ LOL!

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      Educated people vaccinate their children. You, on the other hand, are an ignorant zealot who only believes pseudo-scientific hogwash. There is NO link between vaccination and autism, that study has been refuted a dozen times or more. Vaccines account for less than 3% of the profits of pharmaceutical companies – they would make far more by letting kids get sick and then treating the diseases. My Doctor does not “keep me healthy”, he treats me when I’m sick. Pediatricians are charged with the health of children, and part of their job is administering vaccinations so that children don’t DIE from preventable illnesses.

      I suggest that YOU get “educated BROADLY”, because right now you are just a fountain of dangerous misinformation.

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      You prove your ignorance by not knowing the difference between blogs and opinions versus peer reviewed evidence. Anyone can write a book or post a blog, but science is the objective standard by which these decisions should be made on. Making an important decision based on anything a .com website says is insane! Why can’t anti-vaxers post any high-quality, peer reviewed evidence to prove their claims have any truth? 1) They have no clue how research works or how to interpret it. 2) No one with an advanced degree in science is still ignorant enough to believe all the false info this silly campaign perpetuates. 3) Studies have been done over and over again proving the opposite of their lies…. So it will not be possible (short of pulling a Wakefield and falsifying evidence) to repeat a study and get different results. But if anti-vaxers were to ever find a way to stop quoting blogs and opinions as “truth” and provide quality evidence, perhaps the world would stop laughing at them and listen.

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    Some people think they know everything but have never read 1 vaccine insert …etc ! Yet could never handle the truth about vaccine side effects and ineffectiveness…https://sites.google.com/site/vaccineillusion/whooping-cough

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    If you rant and yell like a crazy person than you deserve to get treated like one.

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    The blog was very interesting. There are many diseases that they experience such as colds, bronchiolitis, or croup though these are quieter in that age but very difficult to avoid. Some others in these are ear infections, sinusitis, impetigo which is probably known as Skin infection and conjunctivitis. The best thing that most of us follow to control these diseases in children in early stages is using Vaccines- has been incredibly effective in preventing childhood diseases and improving child mortality rates. These vaccine fights against many diseases in children if provided whenever necessary.

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    You sure seem to like the phrase “Peer reviewed”. Lemmings are peers also.

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    People who have subject matter expertise don’t usually rely so heavily on buzzwords.

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      What’s your point, exactly? First you compare researcher scientists to “lemmings”, now you’re complaining about the tone of this post? I deliberately write in a non-formal voice here because this is a blog, not a scientific journal. Do you know the difference?

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        You are a fear mongering hypocrite. You claim objectivity and yet you resort to insulting language. You are a fraud on every level.

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          This is an extremely serious issue–people’s health and lives are at stake. And you want to be flippant and resort to ad hominen attacks? You might find this kind of argument style personally satisfying, but I think the issues demand more serious treatment than what you offer. Come back when you are prepared to discuss the research.

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            You talk and talk about peer reviews and then make the claim that non-vaccinators are spreading measles. That is not science but dangerous propaganda and moves us closer to a day were vaccinations for non-lethal diseases will be mandatory. If you are indeed a scientist then you should hang your head in shame.

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            Jennifer Raff you are a purveyor of horse shit. You cannot think critically and can only repeat the phrase peer reviewed study over and over again. Stop taking refuge in your completely corrupted institutions and media outlets. There is no such thing as safe in science. There is cause and effect. If you want immunization for a nonlethal illness you will have to put up with some side effects. Scientists do not speak in absolutes, they present the results that support the hypothesis and the tolerance for error. Do you know what a tolerance is? If you are a scientist, you are the worst scientist I have ever seen. Take down this obscene web siten

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              Hey there, Anonymous! We seem to be talking in circles, and you’re not adding anything to this discussion beyond name-calling (which is in express violation of my comments policy). I’ve asked you several times to provide something–anything!–to back up your criticisms, and you’ve been unable to do so. However, I’ll respond to a few of your points:

              1. “Stop taking refuge in your completely corrupted institutions and media outlets.” Do you mean that there’s a conspiracy between every single scientist, physician, and reporter who has written about vaccines? To what end? That’s a bit farfetched, don’t you think? If you’re going to make accusations like that, it would help if you brought along some evidence.

              2. “There’s no such thing as safe in science. There is cause and effect.” Exactly right. Those peer reviewed studies that seem so abhorrent to you are designed to actually measure what causes particular effects (For example: do vaccines cause autism?).

              3. “If you want immunization for a nonlethal illness you will have to put up with some side effects.” It’s true that vaccines cause some side effects in some individuals. You get a pamphlet with each shot that describes what they might be. I’m not sure what your point is here–nobody is arguing that there aren’t some side effects to vaccines. Just that autism isn’t one of them. Usually it’s more like muscle soreness and redness and/or fatigue for a day or two.

              Oh and again, what do you mean by nonlethal illnesses? I’ve asked you this before. You seem to think that measles isn’t lethal, which is tragically false. Do you think that the flu isn’t lethal? Polio? Where are you getting your information?

              4. “Scientists do not speak in absolutes, they present the results that support the hypothesis and the tolerance for error.” Again, correct. And yes, I know what ‘a tolerance’ is. Better than you do, I suspect, based on your descriptions here.

              Since you haven’t brought anything of substance to this conversation despite repeated requests, I’m forced to conclude that you’re just a not-particularly-interesting troll. If you don’t like my website, you’re absolutely welcome to avoid reading it. We’re done here.

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              Whereas you won’t even reveal your true identity so that your credentials and qualifications can be examined. What you are is a troll and an idiot. Jennifer Raff, I urge you to waste no more time on this moron.

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            The bodily processes of a human being or any creature are extremely precise. The epitome of flippancy and arrogance is to think bodily processes can manipulated with vaccines 49 times before a child is 6 years old without consequence to the child’s well being. Maybe you can explain that arrogance along with what happens to the vaccine residue.

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          Urm, I think you may have a misunderstanding of what Peer-Reviewed means.
          It’s not a self congratulatory circle of snobs who just repeat whatever one of them had decided earlier.

          The First, Major part of peer review, which usually takes place between the publisher and the research team, is about presentation, Clarity, Validity, and relevance.
          This can go on for a year, with the publisher’s in house people requesting clarification after clarification.

          -Then it’s published, (success! Right?)
          Wrong.
          You can bet your boots that as soon as anything a) New. b) Contrary to the current models, c) Connecting two, previously unrelated systems
          Comes out, there’s about 50 different research teams just waiting to tear it to pieces, or confirm the findings. It’s always more exciting to show the present models to be wrong than to reconfirm the current understanding. But this means every piece of peer reviewed work on anything more interesting than monkey snot (Yes, people research that) will have hundreds, if not thousands of repetitions of the experiment done.

          -So, it’s done now?
          Not quite.
          Now come the letters. Oh my yes.
          Clarifications. Corrections. Amendments. Argument over aspects of the method. Suggestions for continuations to the experiment.
          Guess what? These mean you have to *Do the experiment again* This time without the slight mistakes from last time.

          -You mean it never ends? You can’t sit back when you’re done?
          Pretty much. Yes. Science doesn’t stop. There’s always more to understand. Always.

          So please. Enough with the derision of peer reviewed articles.
          I don’t follow “Peer Review” as a catchall codeword. I trust it because I know exactly what it entails.

          When a research team is published in Elsivier (A high calibre biomedical journal), with an unbiased, repeatable method that shows vaccines do more harm than good, and that research stands un-refuted, the scientific community will do a collective double take, and change their tune in short order.
          It’s just that, so far, the overwhelming majority of research concludes otherwise.

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    autism. The NVICP is clearly on the side of science on that question, and acknowledges that the evidence does not support a link between vaccination and autism. If those plaintiffs could kill the NVICP and get back into normal trial courts, they would a pet shop, dog supplies

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    Very nice! dbddkfaceb

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    I find it funny that pro vaccine pushers always say that there’s no studies or evidence and that all people against vaccines are uneducated and don’t understand science. Well here a few links from government studies and etc…speaking against vaccines. I can list studies all day.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

    http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/801517/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/6/1611.full

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14745455

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15527868

    http://jcn.sagepub.com/content/22/11/1308.abstract

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      Oh so you’ve read all of these? You’ve paid the hundreds of dollars it costs to use PubMed? Every single one of these has no option for full text. How are we supposed to know what any of the findings are? Every study sets out with a particular hypothesis, primary outcomes, and secondary outcomes it would like to see. Then the research either supports it or it doesn’t. Since we can’t read any of these in full text how are we supposed to know what the findings were? For all we know all of these studies negated their hypotheses.

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        The fact that there is no full text option is a clear indication of the quality of the work. Anyone can start a “peer reviewed ” boutique journal !

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        I don’t pay hundreds of dollars to pub med… i pay thousands to my university and am blessed with the right to access the thousands of scholarly online journals such as pubmed… which my institution pays millions for…..

        ohh.. and what about all of the doctors and nurses and immunologists etc that are against vaccines??

        I suppose they are just too dumb and looking to start controversy, despite their stellar academic credentials…. yes they are purposely ignoring an “obvious” truth simply to get harassed by all you donkeys who blindly believe that vaccines are “safe and effective”…

        It’s hard to communicate with people who are clearly so biased…. My parents were for vaccines, they still are… neither of them are scientists…. I took a biomedical science degree and found many PEER REVIEWED studies questioning both the saftey and efficacy of vaccines.

        To be sure, these studies are not the MAJORITY.. However as Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo and other brave scientists have unequivically shown… MAJORITY does not mean they are right… In fact, it an an age old fallacy that to assume because a majority of people support or believe something, it is therefore correct… Aritstotle so aptly pointed that obvious fact out… He’s be sad to see how stupid the average person is…

        The majority of doctors used to say cigarettes were safe and EFFECTIVE as treatment for some ailments hahahahha… but no… had nothing to do with industry funding… and all the drugs and vaccines… nope has nothing to to do with industry funding… clearly everyone is much HEALTHIER today thanks to all the drugs!!

        And to the idiots who keep pointing out how many people died of polio in 1952…. ok that’s a number…. did you look at how many people died in the 40’s from it? the 30’s?

        IF you were responsible in your research and unbiased… you would want to look at a time series… which I have…. Polio mortality and morbidity rates fell dramatically in the preceeding 20 years BEFORE the vaccine was introduced….. so what caused that??

        Ever hear of Scarlett fever?? no vaccine for it in this country…. but it also went from very high rates in the early part of teh century to essentially 0…. but there was no vaccine…. Some countries who used the scarlet fever vaccine had the same TREND..

        You people really are stupid…. and you want what? to try and force people or shame them who know the shit you are talking is just that??

        go get you kid injected….. has *nothing* to do with the raise in neuroligcal and other chronic conditions plaging society…. funny though… since you all like correlational data soo much…. seems like more cancer, diabetes, asthma.etc… the more vaccines we “give” to people…

        Ohh peer reviewed research from the University of British Columbia from their neuroscience department has indicated the potential mechanisms by which certain vaccine adjuvants and ingredients may contribute to autism in CERTAIN people….

        BUt no…. A vaccine containing mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum etc…. that could have no effect on someones nervous systems or other systems…. no the anti vaccineers are crazzzzzzzzy

        Show me one bit of evidence that shows vaccines cannot cause autism… doesn’t exist… the best you have is some studies saying they found no connection….

        that doesn’t mean there isn’t one you fools…. it means what it says… that study found no connection…. its not about doing the same study over.. different methodologies lead to different results… MANY studies and methodologically flawed and are INVALID ni the scientific sense that they do not measure what they are purported to measure…

        For instance… Autism is a spectrum disorder…has anybody read the criteria used in the different studies for what they count as “autsism”?

        Also, as one poster wisely pointed out… even the government admits that nowhere near the TRue number of adverse events are reported…

        Also… many adverse events take TIME to occur… as the wise poster shrewdly pointed out.. these residues build up in the body… everyone reacts differently to toxins and in different time frames… but once a reaction is moved in time from a vaccine, the connection is missed…. despite the fact it may very well have been a major contributor…

        FINALLY… Does anybody do a neuroloigcal assessment of your child BEFORE the vaccine?? And there AFTER the vaccine at certain periods to evaluate whether any damage occured?? fuck no lol…. the nurses don’t do it and wouldn’t be qualified anyone… a neurologist would be the one…. doesn’t happen…. so just remember… not all reactions are “clinical” meaning they result in some horrific immediate measurable outcome….. so you could get a shot and your neurons could degenerate slightly causing maybe loss in concentration, focus, IQ perhaps… but it’s minimal… cant diagnose it… let alone connect it to the shot..

        I find it much wiser to listen to the minority of professionals who REFUSE the vaccines and their REASONS WHY….you could line up 99.9% of any profession… i still want to hear the .1% that is on the other side….

        So here’s a link to a doctor, infectious disease specialist… WHO ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to SHOOT UP HIMSELF OR HIS KIDS>… HE’s being interviewed and is asked why…He clearly states that particular shot (h1n1) is simply too dangerous and not shown to be safe or effective….

        but I guess since he on fox news.. can’t be trusted… damn right wing doctor lying to everyone

        Fox News – Doctor says H1N1 vaccine is dangerous, toxic ‘adjuncts’ used, product rushed to market

        ohh heres another doctor advising against it… ohhh because he read the insert.. hahahhaha

        Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. (www.drfitt.com) issues a retraction to nurses he originally advised to get the H1N1 flu vaccination.

        hmmmm infectious disease expert doctor warns shot is dangerous vs. Paul (for profit) Offit… head of CDC vaccine policy who famously said you could give a child 10 000 vaccines (in one day!!) and be fine…. hahahhahaha

        ohh and he has patents for several vaccines and has made 10s of millions…..

        but nope…. he just doin it for your safety!!!!

        stupid fucking idiots

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          “I don’t pay hundreds of dollars to pub med”

          And no one else does, because it is free to access at http://www.pubmed.gov .

          “ohh.. and what about all of the doctors and nurses and immunologists etc that are against vaccines??”

          What about them? What is their training, and how many are of them versus the thousands of pediatricians and family doctors that make sure their patients are properly vaccinated. Please provide the verifiable statistical data comparing the two sets of medical care professionals.

          “The majority of doctors used to say cigarettes were safe and EFFECTIVE as treatment for some ailments hahahahha… but no… had nothing to do with industry funding…”

          Actually that was because they weren’t doctors, they were actors paid by the tobacco companies. You need to learn to tell the difference between scientific studies and advertisements. Stanford School of Medicine has an online tour of tobacco ads. You should check it out. It costs just as much as it does to access the PubMed index.

          “Polio mortality and morbidity rates fell dramatically in the preceeding 20 years BEFORE the vaccine was introduced….. so what caused that??”

          Really? Here is polio morbidity data from http://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/99statab/sec31.pdf
          Year…. Rate per 100000 of polio
          1912 . . . . 5.5
          1920 . . . . 2.2
          1925 . . . . 5.3
          1930 . . . . 7.5
          1935 . . . . 8.5
          1940 . . . . 7.4
          1945 . . . 10.3
          1950 . . . 22.1
          1955 . . . 17.6
          1960 . . . . 1.8
          1965 . . Less than .05
          1970 . . Less than .05
          1975 . . Less than .05
          1980 . . Less than .05

          It looks like it actually went up in the 1940s, the vaccine was introduced in 1955. Please provide the verifiable evidence to support your assertions.

          “Ever hear of Scarlett fever?? no vaccine for it in this country…”

          Yes, it is a strep infection caused by the same bacteria that causes strep throat. There is a virus phage that can turn that bacterial infection into Scarlet Fever, but with antibiotics that really does not happen much. There has never been a Scarlet Fever vaccine, since there is no vaccine for Streptococcus Group A bacteria. One reason is that you cannot get immunity even after having a strep throat, so how do you create a vaccine for that?

          “You people really are stupid…”

          “stupid fucking idiots”

          Why do you think insults are a valid form of evidence? If you have access to scholarly journals from your university, why did you not cite any?

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      I believe all of these articles can be found here:

      http://angryautie.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/the-definitive-reference-debunking-vaccine-autism-myth/

      And that’s all I have to say about that.

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      You can list them, but you seldom understand them. Indeed, I often find anti-vaxers don’t even read the abstracts! Real scientists know that vaccines sometimes fail. They write articles about how often. Indeed, often the paper contains evidence showing how GOOD the vaccine is.

      The reasoning works like Tax Protestors’, Creationists’, and Holocaust Deniers’. Buried in the ‘mainstream’ research are the clues to the truth of the “alternative”. Context? No such thing. Looking at the conclusions of the research? Irrelevant. Some random useful phrase can be quoted? Bingo!

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      I don’t have time to waste replying to you really, but I decided to look up the first article. The following link makes comments similar to what I’d say anyway, so read up:

      http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/

      I might look at the rest of the articles when I have time. Something tells me they are going to be dodgy too, though… we’ll see.

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    The Pediatricians are actually engaged in total crowd think and confused about the science literature. The peer-reviewed literature shows clearly that early adjuvanted vaccines are dangerous. Numerous animal studies show injecting vaccines or aluminum in vaccine relevant amounts to post-natal mice and rats causes brain damage and autoimmune disease. Numerous epidemiological concur, for example for each 1% increase in vaccine compliance, there are associated 680 additional autism and SLI cases regressed across the 50 states. There are no cogent studies showing early adjuvanted vaccines are safe. I prove all this in a survey article below, where I link and cite dozens of peer reviewed articles, and discuss recent safety surveys. See for yourself.

    You’re not going to check are you? That’s why the Pediatricians are so confused. Each of them thinks there must be support in the literature. Its total Crowd Think. Go a few posts further to find the explanation of the Pediatricians delusions in terms of the Group Psychology Model of Gustav Le Bon (1895).

    http://whyarethingsthisway.com/2014/03/08/example-1-pediatrician-belief-is-opposite-the-published-scientific-evidence-on-early-vaccine-safety/

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      I’d be glad to. Please actually cite a journal and not some wackos opinion

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        Its not an opinion. Its a demonstration. Its not intended to be relied on because I’m smart, its intended to be understood and relied on because you realize its convincing. Its not in a journal because the pediatricians are in crowd think and refuse to consider the evidence. But it cites, and links, dozens of journal articles that the pediatricians are ignoring that show danger. And points out, there are no, zero, cogent articles in the peer-reviewed literature on the subject of safety of early adjuvanted vaccines. If you think I’m wrong, please cite one.

        How can the pediatricians be rational if there are no articles to base a claim of safety on that cover a clear danger?

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          Natphilospopher. If you actually have a demonstration-not a thought, but real experiments with real controls, real measures, real statistics, please submit it to a Journal-I might suggest New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, Journal of Immunology, Journal of Infectious Disease, scientists are more receptive to being proved wrong than right. We remember the people who proved someone wrong-Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein. Also remember that great claims require great proof.
          I’ll remind you that most chronic diseases are diseases of age. You don’t develop arthritis at 60 if your dead at 5, ditto, type II diabetes, glaucoma, hypertension, kidney failure or any other chronic disease.
          BTW, I did a quick pubmed search of “adjuvant safety aluminium” and came back with 311 references. I haven’t evaluated all of them but it seems there might be a fair amount of data on the subject. This primarily covers data from the 1980’s forward, I haven’t dug through the stack to find older, perhaps more relevant citations.

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            I don’t have any experiments personally, its a survey article. Check it out. I cited and linked more than two dozen peer-reviewed mainstream journal papers showing its dangerous, and cite the safety surveys none of which cite these papers or provide any other papers arguing its safe. There are no papers AFAIK in the peer-reviewed literature that examine early adjuvanted vaccines and don’t conclude they are dangerous.

            In 2002 the National Vaccine Program Office (NVPO) convened an expert group to study safety issues with adjuvants in vaccines. Among their conclusions:

            “pervasive uncertainty [from] missing data on pharmocokinetics and toxicities of aluminum injected into humans… There seems to be abundant data concerning risk levels for ingested aluminum, but scant data about risk levels for injected aluminum. The oral minimum risk level, for example, appears to be in the range of 2–60 mg/kg of aluminum per day but there are no comparable data for injected aluminum.”[1]

            Since 2002 there is an extensive literature, and its all bad. For a detailed survey:

            http://whyarethingsthisway.com/2014/03/08/example-1-pediatrician-belief-is-opposite-the-published-scientific-evidence-on-early-vaccine-safety/

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              Natphilosopher, am I correct that you did submit this to peer review, and the journal rejected it? (Sorry if I’m mixing you up with someone else–please do let me know if I am). Typically the journal will give you reasons for why it chooses not to send it out for review–would you mind sharing those with us? And why do you choose not to revise it to correct the flaws and resubmit it, as most of us do in response to critiques of our work?

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                I submitted it to the Journal of Pediatrics. I posted their rejection letter here: http://whyarethingsthisway.com/

                “Because of limited space, we are able to accept <20% of submitted manuscripts. In reaching an editorial decision, the Editors considered the priority for publication, the quality of the manuscript, the novelty of the observation, and appropriateness for our readership."

                Ya think a paper that explains why their editorial was wrong in a concise manner, and cites dozens of new mainstream journal articles that show early adjuvanted vaccines are incredibly dangerous, isn't worthy of getting reviewed to see if, maybe, it could be right?

                I think the fix is in, or they are in total crowd think. The fact that they won't consider new evidence shows they are in crowd think. Nobody has ever bothered investigating whether early adjuvanted vaccines were deadly, and they don't want to think about it now.

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          I think you should do a pubmed search. A fellow named Stanely L Hem at Purdue has done research on the elimination and dissolution of Al adjuvants. Mostly in model species-rabbits and dogs, because some experiments involved radioactivity. He looked at absorption and elimination in rabbits, along with a bunch of other work, and finds that they are fairly slowly absorbed (~55% in 28 days for Aluminium Phosphate, ~20% for Al(OH)3. There certainly isn’t a bolus effect, additionally, Al has a fairly high volume of distribution, with a high fraction protein bound, so concentrations aren’t what you might think.

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            I’ve seen that work. Its discussed if memory serves in Mitkus, which I had reviwed and is now cited. If you look at my survey, you’ll see I cite lots of animal experiments showing brain damage. Slow or fast, there are problems either way.

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      Simply because you can find a few dozen articles demonstrating that vaccines may be dangerous does not make them so. Jennifer argues the exact same thing with one key difference: her articles are well-vetted and carried out with numerous subjects in each one. Recently an anti-vaccinist cited a plethora of articles claiming to find dangers in vaccines. However, this article: http://angryautie.wordpress.com/2013/09/18/the-definitive-reference-debunking-vaccine-autism-myth/
      does a pretty good job of tearing those apart.

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        (1) there’s normally an expectation that medical interventions will be proven safe, not that they have to be proven dangerous. Can you and I agree that that expectation has not been met in the case of early vaccines? And that, as long as the Pediatricians are ignoring the risks I point out, for example, as long as the dozens of papers I cite, in fact as whole major fields of investigation into vaccine safety such as injections into infant animal models, have not been reviewed by safety panels, as I point out they haven’t been in the cases I’ve seen, and as long as all this evidence hasn’t been included in documents prepared to help patients “Examine the Evidence”, the parents are not being fully informed. Maybe you and I can agree on this.

        (2) I’ve seen that angryautie list. My first reaction to it was, he listed 72 papers that arguably show dangers with vaccines, and zero that arguably show early adjuvanted vaccines are safe. He has given arguements against these papers that might show some of them don’t apply. One still has to worry that his arguments might be wrong, or partial, and that the weight of this list is still rather negative for vaccine safety. It certainly isn’t a net positive. And keep in mind that its a clear logical fallacy to say: because we have 100 papers showing MMR doesn’t cause autism, that means vaccines are safe. You have to deal with all the risks.

        (3) The one article of Jennifer I’ve looked at, as I pointed out in comments, her arguments on aluminum were specious. She hasn’t answered my comment on this nor modified the article, which stands as making the false assertion that infants get more aluminum from breast milk than from vaccines. In fact, when you take into account the fact the dietary system flushes 99.75% or so of dietary aluminum, they get hundreds of times more from vaccines. That wasn’t the only error I could point out there. I think her posts state lots of things that when examined turn out to be unjustified and wrong. If you can find any such in my paper, and provide citation or cogent argument, I will thank you for pointing it out and modify the paper. And its worth pointing out as well, that sources you might regard as authoritative, such as the Children’s hospital of Pennsylvania, seem to make some of the same errors. I’m interested in reaching truth, not in appealing to people or institutions regarded as expert.

        (4) Most important. I’m not just counting citations. There is a clear and consistent set of ideas. Animal studies indicate early injections of antigens are dangerous, presumably because of critical periods of brain and immune system development. They also indicate early injections of aluminum are toxic. There is also an understanding of why that might be, and how they would interact with antigens to increase danger. Human clinical data, on ASIA and narcolepsy from vaccine, for example, confirms some of these risks. Epidemiological studies confirm the risks, I would argue you see exactly what you might expect from the animal studies. Third world studies, the confounding factors seem to strongly favor vaccines, confirm these risks. And I’m unable to find any cogent evidence in the literature for the safety of early or adjuvanted vaccines. If you know of any, please point it out, preferably in the comment page at http://whyarethingsthisway.com/2014/03/08/example-1-pediatrician-belief-is-opposite-the-published-scientific-evidence-on-early-vaccine-safety/
        Just to emphasize this point: its not a priori surprising to me that injecting 100’s of times as much aluminum ( a known neurotoxin) into babies as they get from breast milk, precisely because it inflames the immune system and gets it to produce antibodies that it would normally be too immature to produce, and injecting antigens stimulating immune responses to some of the deadliest diseases in human evolutionary history, many times several at once as would be very unlikely to happen in nature, and doing all this dozens times in the first year of life, starting often at day 1, during which period the brain and immune system are going through a very delicate and complex development process;
        well is it surprising to you this might be dangerous? Don’t you think there should be some actual safety studies showing its safe before you decide it is?

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      I grew up in a country where vaccines for MMR and other childhood illnesses such as polio and whooping cough are compulsory by law, and unlike the state of California, no religious belief will get you exempt unless you have an allergy or auto immune disease that makes vaccination medically impossible.
      I am not, and do not claim to be a doctor. I am an engineer and scientist but medical science and biology are, for the most part, gibberish to me. I will say two things though:
      1. In Belgium (where I grew up) there is no higher instance of autism in children than any other European country, or at least not outside of the usual standard deviation from the mean

      2. The instances of child birth have radically reduced in all of the ‘developed west’ since mass immunization has been in place. This is fact and not debatable by any means. It’s just a case of: birth-death = still alive; death/birth% = child mortality rate, end of. Now nobody claiming any form of scientific training would ever argue that this is 100% attributable to vaccinations, just that we can correlate reduction in infection rates to increase in vaccination. Of course, healthier (though as you seem to be based in the US I would argue that in the area you live in this is largely a debatable fact and healthy living seems to have taken a hike along with common sense…) living, better sanitation and better medical knowledge and medication for the illnesses mentioned play their part.

      Now I do have some hope in the human cause and therefore believe that ‘total crowd think’ (apart from being appalling grammar) would be incapable of affecting every single paediatrician in every single country in the world ergo the amount of diverse and widespread support of vaccination is in itself an indication that it must be born out of some degree of truth. Also you may wish to reference data that has some clout to equate the level of clout offered up by the good doctor who authored this post.
      As a footnote you may also wish to update the psychology you site as our dear friend Gustav Le Bon having lived in 1895 will not have looked upon a globalist world the way we do now.

      This is in essence just my two cents and, should you find you disagree, I would gladly look at you argument provided it is structured in such a way as to offer up a coherent and analytical argument. Not just some hysterical indignation please. But I think you may find such an argument hard to mount as have your peers. I shall not refuse you the right to say and indeed believe whatever you wish but I would respectfully request that you allow the rest of us the same right even though we may wish to respectfully disagree with your point of view.

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        I checked the vaccine schedule in Belgium and it claims the only mandatory vaccine is IPV, so perhaps your recollection is mistaken. They also don’t give Hep B in the first few months, as is done here.

        Its easy for the Pediatricians to be in crowd think. They don’t as a general rule survey the scientific literature, and the surveys that have been done, as my post documents, have simply not included almost all the evidence baring on the subject of safety of early adjuvanted vaccines. So whatever your biases, Le Bon is clearly right. I’ve basically given a proof in this case. And as I outlined somewhat, there is a fair amount of understanding, for example from more recent psychological experiments, about why Le Bon is right about the psychology of human crowds.

        http://whyarethingsthisway.com/2014/03/22/why-are-the-pediatricians-so-confused-about-the-actual-state-of-the-scientific-literature/

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    Lets talk about some of the reasons Autism diagnoses are considered on the rise, shall we?

    I have seen in both my professional and personal life, that autistic ‘features’ occur in children who are neglected and abused. And it makes sense, really. If you think about it. If you are neglecting your child to the point of not teaching them ANYTHING, then you are going to see classic signs of ‘autism’ (biting, hitting, head banging, non verbal, poor social skills/interactions.) I have seen first hand with my niece and my nephew, who are both my sisters children, be a prime example of what I am saying here. My sister severely neglected them. She was to busy for them, had her own life to worry about. Never taught them to walk, to talk, colors, numbers, abc’s…nothing. She fed them, but she fed them junk. Literally. She kept them up all hours of the night to run the roads to do things with her friends so their sleep schedules were disturbed (just like a child with autism.) On the surface, when they went in for WCC, she played the loving dotting mother concerned that something was wrong with her childrens development. And the doctors agreed. Of her 6 children, two were diagnosed with autism. She lost custody of all 6 of her children. My nephew is 12 now, and my niece is 8. Since being placed in supportive adoptive they have both had these dx removed from their medical history. When placed in a good home, they have both fully caught up with her peers and are fully developed children. 3 of her 4 other children have varying degrees of spectrum diagnoses. Her oldest, who is 14, was raised by myself and has never been diagnosed with anything. Though their diagnoses have since been reversed, I am telling you this because -THEY- are part of that number. These two children are part of the statistic that makes up the 1 in 32 children. And they are not alone. I do in home support for children and adolescents diagnosed somewhere on the spectrum. Often times I come across a parent of a young child that I can tell is just in a bad situation. That is not having its developmental needs met. We, as parents, CAN developmentally stunt our children. And it’s happening on a REGULAR basis now. Think of the many many accounts of abuse being reported in the news; kids are at risk in their own families for being neglected. And it is more common now then ever since we have young parents who don’t know how to parent, we have parents who either don’t want to parent or just think they are more important then their children. So what am I saying here? I am saying that Autism and similar spectrum diagnosis -are- being misdiagnosed at times. Which accounts for an increased rate of occurrence.

    Lets also talk about the fact that Autism and similar Spectrum diagnoses are not made until age 3-4. Even if you see subtle indications early on that your child is not developmentally on task, even if you have concerns at say…a year old. It still isn’t diagnosed until 3-4 years old. Which is when? At the tall end of the mass dosing of vaccinations. The two happen to coincide. That does not equal causation. It equals potential coincidence. I have seen younger babes in my observations through work that show subtle signs as early as a year old, so you know something isn’t quite right, you can predict that perhaps they will be on the spectrum later. Not because of vaccinations that they haven’t even had yet, at a year old, but because of natural causes. But at 4 years old, during the WCC their pediatrician finally says, ok somethines not right here. And so people point their finger at the vaccinations; an easy target to place blame. Which, btw, placing blame isn’t necessary or helpful. (Unless you are one of the above families I referenced, that are developmentally stunting your child.)

    And finally. I will say this. And I do not care -what- backlash of response it gets.

    How heartless of anyone, as a parent, to say “I would rather my child die from a preventable disease, then risk them developing autism.” And that is exactly what you are saying when you choose to listen to unsupported (or even supported for that matter, I don’t care WHY you believe it) evidence that Autism is caused by vaccines, so you say to yourself “I will not vaccinate my children against the barrage of diseases that they will encounter in their life, and that might kill them, in order to avoid that risk.” That is selfish of you; because let me tell you, these diseases are dangerous, they are deadly (especially pertussis in newborns/infants,) they are occurring much more frequently now, then ever before, because people are refusing to vaccinate, and they DO kill.

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    Dear Big Pharma: I told people vaccines cause autism and that consuming Pop-Rocks and cola at the same time will cause stomachs to rupture. As our agreement was to pay based on nonsense Americans will believe, I request 50% of our agreed price. Respectfully, Agent 666

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    Vaccination: Part Four

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    Jennifer,
    Keep up the good work!! I can’t even bring myself to read through all of these anti-vac comments, they just make me sick. I’m so thankful someone is taking time to thoughtfully and respectfully respond with actual data!
    Thanks for fighting the good fight!

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      actual data…. yes she replied with actual data… her best -> not a whiff of a hint of a whisper of a correlation between vaccines and autism

      not a hint a of a wiff or a whisper… damn.. shits scientific…

      ohh I took advaced research and statistics(94)… advanced abnormal psychology(89)(purely about the DSM V and to a lesser extents it’s history and predessors with particular emphasis on DSM IV-R as it was the most recent.) cognitive psychology(92)(looked a lot at memory and perception–which is pertinent because the perceptions of everyone, pro and anti vaccine are ridiculous… people are truly dumb in so many ways… many people oppose it and for entirely idiotic reasons.. but thank god we have a right to not be coerced… i see it like getting lucky… good choice bad reasons… but the pro side is the WORST.. by a lot…wouldn’t you want to see evidence.. true evidence.. this shot is ACTUALLY safe and effective.. in real terms. i defy you to show me studies demonstrating this unequivocally….. nobody will say vaccines are perfectly safe, in fact the common types of adverse events are listed in the monograph or drug insert sheet in the box the drugs come in… opens up quite big with tiny writing… clearly states encephalities, guionne burre, seizures, anaphylactic shock, etc… and NOBODY will claim under full commercial liability that vaccines are effective… they give a rate generally but the research is laughable at how they calculate it, in no way credible…. so you people are stupid who ‘comply’… get this shot.. with known carcinogens/ neurotoxins– formaldehyde, mercury etc—- gov’t won’t guarantee it to prevent the disease.. in fact as others incredibly pointed out… they believe if i dont get the shot, im somehow risking even those who did get the shot, in some unelucidated way… ok so even if you get the shot youre still at risk… but then there’s a warning that you may be seriously injured as a result to a reaction to this shot…. and then you are told you cannot actually sue to manufactorer of the shot… you may only go through a government compensation court…. haha fuck you guys are dumb as horse shit) educational psychology (89) health psychology (91)etc.. Forensic Science with courses in chemistry(86), microbiology(93), cell biology(92), anatomy(94) & physiology(90), genetics(89), immunology(91) biochemisty(88) organic chemistry(93)etc… ohh a really great forensic course was on the history of prison systems and prisoners…. crazy shit… nuremburg code… if they don’t CLEARLY state all these serious risks to you… people injecting that garbage are breaking international law… you MUST give people the true risks…. no lying and saying ohh its totally safe… instead they say side effects are rare.. yet won’t tell you real numbers… instead bullshit “estimates” by the company itself not the actual government numbers which they themselves estimate to be only 1-10% of actual adverse events….

      ohh the polio vaccine was infected with various viruses from the green rhesus monkey kidney tissue used in its preparations… one in particular… administered to likely 10s if not 100s of millions of people… called SV-40… simian virus 40… has been shown in multiple studies to cause different types of cancers… that was just one virus…

      I understand genetics and biochemistry… any competent scienst will explain we cant guarantee there wont be viruses and the way dna works, these things can transfer between species.. its fucking crazy to inject these animal tissues into your blood…instead of taken in through your stomach… you idiots… the best they can say is the chances are low or unlikely or some bullshit…. look at history you fools

      I’m just sorry you all are so dumb… I truly feel sorry for you… I feel sorry for the world because if these idiots had their way they’d put us in camps or some shit for refusing.. or just have people held down and injected because its for “the greater good”

      Perhaps a jail sentence for distributing “anti-vaccine propaganda”… no but that would be obvious… ad hominems attacks saying they are illogical, immoral, reckless, unintelligent etc… would be a better tactic right…

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    I retain listening to distinct news speak about getting free online grant applications so I have been looking around for genuine greatest AUTO

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    But Dr. Jenny McCarthy (who does e-cigarette commercials, by the way) needs a reason her son is autistic. The numbers of autistic children is higher now because we now define autism differently than we used to. And the OVERWHELMING number of people considered “autistic” are highly functional, not like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man. The fact is that if you grew up in the 60s or 70s, the weird kid is now the autistic kid. And we are so scare of our kids being weird that we freak out and need a diagnosis. Vaccines aren’t perfect, but overall they work. I work in medical research and I get annoyed at “I got the flu shot and then I got sick”. No, you might have gotten a slight fever and felt run down for a day – because the vaccine is making your immune system scramble as it figures things out – so you get tired for a day, not that uncommon. But here’s the thing………even if these vaccines DID cause autism…(they don’t), but even if they did, you are still better off vaccinating your children.

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    Vaccinate your kids people. If you love them and want to protect them from harmful disease, get them vaccinated.

  18. 

    It started out with the MMR vaccination and now it seems for some, all or any vaccines are suspected to cause ASD. Which is kind of weird, innit?

    Smallpox has had very little mention here. Smallpox wasn’t wiped out because people washed their hands. Smallpox wasn’t the sort of illness you could take medicine to cure it. If you survived it you were severely pock-marked. No, smallpox died out because the majority of the world was vaccinated. The same could happen to polio but I’m not holding my breath because of the numbers who don’t believe the evidence.

    It seems that for some people (usually called conspiracy theorists) the facts don’t exist and their opinions are all that matter. Well you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is. If you don’t want a vaccination and do want to put your children (and others) at risk, well up to you (if you live in a country where it’s not compulsory). What you cannot do is say you are right, and the majority of the world’s scientists are wrong. Same goes for climate change.

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson.

  19. 

    These anti-vaxxers just APPALL me. They know nothing about how terrible these diseases truly were and still are, when they happen. I am only 47, and I can still remember reading about & seeing pictures of polio victims in iron lungs as a kid, and being absolutely terrified by it. And that was in books for children! That’s how common polio victims still were even in the early 70s.
    My grandmother was born in 1909, my father in 1926, mom in 1929, aunt in 1935, and sister in 1945. My family was close, and I can remember them all talking about life in an earlier era, before vaccines and even antibiotics. I remember hearing many tales of people dying from “blood poisoning” (sepsis) & “lockjaw” (tetanus); and people who had died, suffered terribly, and/or were crippled by diseases that are easily preventable with a simple vaccine these days. These diseases were not ‘minor’ by any means, nor were they ‘on their way out’ like so many here seem to think. They were common and greatly feared by all, especially those with children.
    My older sister was born mentally retarded because my mother had Rubella (“German Measles”) when she was pregnant with her. She is a sweet, childlike elderly woman now, living with my husband & I since out parents have now passed. I have loved her all my life, but sometimes I am saddened, and wonder what she could have become if she had not been robbed of her potential by an ugly, and currently preventable, disease. Do anti-vaxxers think of things like that? That their refusal to vaccinate may result in harm not only to their living children, but to those growing in their womb? Or even worse, that they spread diseases to other innocent pregnant women and their children? My sister is high functioning & can take care of some of her needs, which is not usually the case with children struck by rubella in utero- the results are usually far worse, including miscarriage & stillbirth. Do you REALLY want to be responsible for killing or deforming your own or someone else’s unborn child because you fell for a hoax promoted by an unscrupulous doctor & a B-grade actress?
    And do you really think that autism would be a worse fate for your child than severe mental retardation? I know many wonderful autistic children and their loving, caring parents. I helped raise my autistic niece, who, at 18, is a beautiful, smart, studious young woman who graduated early and started college at 17. There were struggles of course, but they were nothing compared to what my mom told me about raising a mentally retarded baby. My niece will be able to have a full life with college, a career, marriage & children if she so desires. My sister never had that chance, and never will. Could I go back in time with a rubella vaccine and prevent my mother from having it, I would do it in a heartbeat, even if she was GUARANTEED to be autistic instead.
    I suggest anti-vaxxers start talking to people they know who were around before vaccines were, and learn what it was REALLY like, how horrible & feared they were before they decide not to vaccinate their kids.
    And before someone comes yelling that my niece is autistic because she had vaccines, well….her father (my brother) is a long term alcoholic & drug addict, who had testicular cancer of a type that is associated with smoking PCP & the chemical soup it is usually mixed with. What about the meningitis she had as a newborn? Or even the possibility that her father has undiagnosed ASD and passed it along? Any of those could be the reason
    As for me, well, I have had pretty bad lifelong asthma, and if I did not get my flu shot every year, I would probably be dead by now. The one year that I didn’t get it, I came down with flu that turned into pneumonia within days. I could not believe how sick I was, and my case was called “mild”. For over four years after that, I suffered one serious long term respiratory infection after another, I was bedridden for weeks at a time. All because the guys at my husbands work refuse to get vaccinated. I’m sure they were well in a fortnight. I suffered for years. I will NEVER miss a flu shot again. I am also vaccinated for pneumonia and pertussis, per my doctor, due to the high risk of complications or death, should I contract either.
    The same flu that knocked me down so hard was also, albeit indirectly, was responsible for the death of my elderly mother.
    THIS is the reality for what happens when people don’t vaccinate their kids, or themselves.

  20. 

    I do not look forward to the day, when a visit to the United States calls for a regiment of vaccinations. All because of idiocy and the spreading of false knowledge by laymen.

    It does not create evidence, just by stating there is EVIDENCE.
    One persons experiences does not provide usable evidence and should not be the basis for conclusions for anyone.

    I hope you figure this out before USA falls into being a red flagged country.

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  22. 

    Jennifer Raff, I agree with you!

  23. 

    vaccinations are very important as it helps your child to be prevented from diseases in future

  24. 

    Who wrote this pathetic, ignorant article? It is interesting to me that people with the funds to send their children to private school are not vaccinating; they must also have the funds to EDUCATE THEMSELVES instaed of believing all mainstream, biased science pushed down our throats. Now lets watch the sheeple slowly kill their own children through ignorance.

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      I wrote it. So, your argument against the scientific evidence is that rich people don’t vaccinate their kids? Interesting. How do you account for the fact that virtually all physicians and scientists vaccinate both themselves and their children? Are they just “ignorant”?

      • 

        That’s not true at all, Jennifer! I’m sorry that people are so misleading, but many doctors don’t vaccinate their own children, whether or not they admit to it. Susan McCreadie (see “My Thoughts on Vaccines”) is just one of many. I could name many other MDs who’ve raised serious questions on vaccines (not sure if they all have children); however, I realize that conveniently each time someone will label a doctor a “quack” solely for opposing vaccines.

    • 

      “Who wrote this pathetic, ignorant article?”

      Did you notice the name under the title at the top of the page? That is a big hint on who wrote the article. There is also a menu at the top of the page that has a link titled “About me.”

      I am curious, where are we supposed to get the proper education on the science? Please point to us where the sources of science that you think are not “biased.”

      “Now lets watch the sheeple slowly kill their own children through ignorance.”

      Please provide the scientific evidence that any vaccine on the American pediatric schedule is more dangerous than the disease. Make sure that science is not biased by posting the actual scientific paper written by a qualified reputable author. Thank you.

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      Sulivanthepoop June 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm

      People who say sheeple are so kind to let us all know they are blind followers of the crowd

  25. 

    Do you have any video of that? I’d want to find out more details.

  26. 

    In a study of 1.2 million children, no link between autism and vaccines was found. Science is true whether you believe in it or not.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

  27. 

    Given that numbers of children are rising to statistically significant levels it would be possible to perform a reverse study on the incidence of Autism spectrum disorders, disorders as a result of viral infection & other important markers in those children that have not been vaccinated – if we could persuade them to participate this will end the reasonable discussion on the matter (leaving the unreasonable nutters sticking magic berries up their noses).

  28. 

    Can the vaccine conspiracy theorists please post the following:

    Which of the following are facts:

    1) Man-made climate change does not exist?
    2) The universe or earth is less than 1,000,000 years old
    3) Any of the following:
    a) Man never landed on the moon
    b) The JFK assassination was an inside job
    c) The Illuminati exists and the theories are true
    4) Vaccinations are deadly, it is being covered up by big pharma
    5) Fluoride added to drinking water by water-corporations is deadly

    If you answer yes to 3 or more of those questions, I would suggest that you are an ignorant twit and you should just consider that the world would be better off without your ridiculous campaigns

  29. 

    I was vaccinated my entire childhood, and even into adulthood. Nothing happened to me. Although I have a few psychological disorders, like depression and anxiety, those did not come about until my teenage/beginning adult years.

    I’m in the process of moving to another state and was amazed to find out that the community college I’m going to actually REQUIRES proof of a negative meningitis test. The anti vaxxers campaign is causing an increase in the outbreaks of meningitis on college campuses to the point that some states are REQUIRING proof that you have not had it. In fact, the colleges in the state that I’m moving to, REQUIRE up-to-date vaccination records or you will NOT be permitted to attend class. I’m willing to bet that policies like that have reduced the amount of outbreaks in that state.

    If anti-vaxxer parents make choices that put their children at risk, then maybe they shouldn’t permitted to be parents. Because their choices, made for THEIR kids, affect EVERYONE around them.

    • 

      Uh no.. College campuses have always done this. I went in the 90’s and had to get vax’d and also had to have ‘proof’ I did not have lots of things.. Including std’s!!! Talk about intrusive… But my education was important so I did it and guess what… The MMR vax’d totally fu*ked me up. Took me years to get back to normal…. AND my beautiful son I now have.., has autism.. Makes you wonder.

      • 

        “The MMR vax’d totally fu*ked me up. Took me years to get back to normal”

        What did your medical care providers tell you? Since it was after 1988 did your claim with National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program go well?

        “…. AND my beautiful son I now have.., has autism.. Makes you wonder.”

        Well I wonder why nothing was noticed in the 1970s and 1980s since the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1971. Do you know of any documentation dated before 1990 that shows the MMR caused autism in the USA during that time? It is a much larger country than the UK, and had been using the MMR vaccine for more than twenty years when Wakefield published his now retracted small case study, so there should be something if there was a real connection.

        So it does make me wonder why there would be an assumed connection, when there is not real evidence. This includes a more recent study showing that there is no real connection between vaccines and autism.

      • 

        Um… no, it doesn’t. Isolated cases prove nothing. At most they raise a question. This question has been raised over and over. It has been answered by studies containing more than fourteen million cases. I am truly sorry to hear that your son has autism and I hope that he is being properly supported so that he can lead a full and healthy life. I also understand your won frustration and the desire to identify a cause but I am afraid that the MMR has repeatedly been proven not to be that cause. The sooner that we can all draw a line under this and do away with the conspiracy theories and blame culture the sooner we can get on with protecting our children.

      • 

        Kat, I am so sorry about your son. Have you looked into detox and biomedical options? Look at livingwhole.org or gianelloni family blog (she is NOT a practicing professional in this, for those concerned; she provides links to many professional sources). Regarding Caroline (blog) may be another good resource. I really believe that healing the gut is key. The gut-brain connection is a fascinating one.

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  32. 

    I just have two questions
    Does some one knows an unvaccinated child who is autistic? That can give us a good answer
    And why parents of a vaccinated child cares about other kids who are not, your child is safe don’t worry!

  33. 

    I don’t pay hundreds of dollars to pub med… i pay thousands to my university and am blessed with the right to access the thousands of scholarly online journals such as pubmed… which my institution pays millions for…..

    ohh.. and what about all of the doctors and nurses and immunologists etc that are against vaccines??

    I suppose they are just too dumb and looking to start controversy, despite their stellar academic credentials…. yes they are purposely ignoring an “obvious” truth simply to get harassed by all you donkeys who blindly believe that vaccines are “safe and effective”…

    It’s hard to communicate with people who are clearly so biased…. My parents were for vaccines, they still are… neither of them are scientists…. I took a biomedical science degree and found many PEER REVIEWED studies questioning both the saftey and efficacy of vaccines.

    To be sure, these studies are not the MAJORITY.. However as Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo and other brave scientists have unequivically shown… MAJORITY does not mean they are right… In fact, it an an age old fallacy that to assume because a majority of people support or believe something, it is therefore correct… Aritstotle so aptly pointed that obvious fact out… He’s be sad to see how stupid the average person is…

    The majority of doctors used to say cigarettes were safe and EFFECTIVE as treatment for some ailments hahahahha… but no… had nothing to do with industry funding… and all the drugs and vaccines… nope has nothing to to do with industry funding… clearly everyone is much HEALTHIER today thanks to all the drugs!!

    And to the idiots who keep pointing out how many people died of polio in 1952…. ok that’s a number…. did you look at how many people died in the 40′s from it? the 30′s?

    IF you were responsible in your research and unbiased… you would want to look at a time series… which I have…. Polio mortality and morbidity rates fell dramatically in the preceeding 20 years BEFORE the vaccine was introduced….. so what caused that??

    Ever hear of Scarlett fever?? no vaccine for it in this country…. but it also went from very high rates in the early part of teh century to essentially 0…. but there was no vaccine…. Some countries who used the scarlet fever vaccine had the same TREND..

    You people really are stupid…. and you want what? to try and force people or shame them who know the shit you are talking is just that??

    go get you kid injected….. has *nothing* to do with the raise in neuroligcal and other chronic conditions plaging society…. funny though… since you all like correlational data soo much…. seems like more cancer, diabetes, asthma.etc… the more vaccines we “give” to people…

    Ohh peer reviewed research from the University of British Columbia from their neuroscience department has indicated the potential mechanisms by which certain vaccine adjuvants and ingredients may contribute to autism in CERTAIN people….

    BUt no…. A vaccine containing mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum etc…. that could have no effect on someones nervous systems or other systems…. no the anti vaccineers are crazzzzzzzzy

    Show me one bit of evidence that shows vaccines cannot cause autism… doesn’t exist… the best you have is some studies saying they found no connection….

    that doesn’t mean there isn’t one you fools…. it means what it says… that study found no connection…. its not about doing the same study over.. different methodologies lead to different results… MANY studies and methodologically flawed and are INVALID ni the scientific sense that they do not measure what they are purported to measure…

    For instance… Autism is a spectrum disorder…has anybody read the criteria used in the different studies for what they count as “autsism”?

    Also, as one poster wisely pointed out… even the government admits that nowhere near the TRue number of adverse events are reported…

    Also… many adverse events take TIME to occur… as the wise poster shrewdly pointed out.. these residues build up in the body… everyone reacts differently to toxins and in different time frames… but once a reaction is moved in time from a vaccine, the connection is missed…. despite the fact it may very well have been a major contributor…

    FINALLY… Does anybody do a neuroloigcal assessment of your child BEFORE the vaccine?? And there AFTER the vaccine at certain periods to evaluate whether any damage occured?? fuck no lol…. the nurses don’t do it and wouldn’t be qualified anyone… a neurologist would be the one…. doesn’t happen…. so just remember… not all reactions are “clinical” meaning they result in some horrific immediate measurable outcome….. so you could get a shot and your neurons could degenerate slightly causing maybe loss in concentration, focus, IQ perhaps… but it’s minimal… cant diagnose it… let alone connect it to the shot..

    I find it much wiser to listen to the minority of professionals who REFUSE the vaccines and their REASONS WHY….you could line up 99.9% of any profession… i still want to hear the .1% that is on the other side….

    So here’s a link to a doctor, infectious disease specialist… WHO ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to SHOOT UP HIMSELF OR HIS KIDS>… HE’s being interviewed and is asked why…He clearly states that particular shot (h1n1) is simply too dangerous and not shown to be safe or effective….

    but I guess since he on fox news.. can’t be trusted… damn right wing doctor lying to everyone

    Fox News – Doctor says H1N1 vaccine is dangerous, toxic ‘adjuncts’ used, product rushed to market

    ohh heres another doctor advising against it… ohhh because he read the insert.. hahahhaha

    Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D. (www.drfitt.com) issues a retraction to nurses he originally advised to get the H1N1 flu vaccination.

    hmmmm infectious disease expert doctor warns shot is dangerous vs. Paul (for profit) Offit… head of CDC vaccine policy who famously said you could give a child 10 000 vaccines (in one day!!) and be fine…. hahahhahaha

    ohh and he has patents for several vaccines and has made 10s of millions…..

    but nope…. he just doin it for your safety!!!!

    stupid fucking idiots

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  37. 
    erickorbly@gmail.com July 7, 2014 at 8:56 am

    You got one problem here. NONE of the sources cited has any credibility.
    Does big pharma lie? Yes. They are into money not making people well.
    Does the government lie? Yes, more than they tell the truth.
    Can you trust them? No.
    Would they admit vaccinations did indeed cause autism? No.

    Why are there TV commercials doing dragnet style blanket inquiries for people who have claims against major drug companies? Because that many people have had that many severe issues. People as a whole are becoming suspicious of the medical establishment for good reason. Not only do they sell poison as medicine but then they have to be sued for reparations, it’s not like they admit anything & help their victims voluntarily.

    Why not share the data from: … http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vsd/accessing-data.html … with everyone regarding vaccines? Statistics can be easily loaded contextually, why not let some other people evaluate & interpret the data?
    I have yet to see anything more than claims of these studies aforementioned. Lets see real data, raw data, not their self serving interpretation. Not their claims of conclusive findings. Their word is not enough.

  38. 

    CDC Caught Hiding Data Showing Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism | Health Impact News healthimpactnews.com In a press release issued recently, one that almost no mainstream media sources have bothered to report, it was…

    • 

      Why should we believe you? That is not a reliable unbiased website. Its “About” page shows it is run by:

      Brian Shilhavy, CEO Tropical Traditions
      Marianita Shilhavy, Certified Nutritionist/Dietician in the Philippines

      This is a major reason why you need to be careful with Google U. They seem to be in the business of selling coconut oil and other supplements. Are you a Supplement Shill?

      Also, can you please tell us which vaccines on the present American pediatric schedule is only available with thimerosal? Do not include influenza because half of those approved for children half are thimerosal free.

      About your first comment:

      You got one problem here. NONE of the sources cited has any credibility.
      Does big pharma lie? Yes. They are into money not making people well.
      Does the government lie? Yes, more than they tell the truth.
      Can you trust them? No.
      Would they admit vaccinations did indeed cause autism? No.

      Please the sources in the above article that are paid by “Big Pharma”, please provide a direct quote from the source to shows its dubious nature.

      Please be specific on those “government lies”, with actual academic cites to show exactly which vaccine information provided lacks veracity.

      Please provide PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that vaccines have a casual link to autism. By reputable we mean someone who has not had their right to practice medicine legally revoked (Geier, Wakefield). By qualified someone needs to actually have the requisite education and experience, so no lawyers, business professors, geologists, journalists, computer scientists, etc.

      And then you can list the reasons why each of the following studies are not true: Vaccine Safety: Examine the Evidence. Be sure to be specific with references, and have direct quotes of the dubious bits (like Conflict of Interest). Back up your assertions with real evidence, please.

      • 

        All valid points. However I remain of the opinion that: The FDA, CDC, AMA, ect are not in place for the protection of the populace but to further their own economical interests.
        I do believe the burden of proof lies with the producer of the product they want to have injected into people. That is a real concern. While words are cheap the products that are being sold to us are of real consequence. My questions are not ratified by scientific documents, but I’m not selling you something that goes in your body either. While you are basically right to ask all the questions you do, the issue of vaccines is not resolved by them.
        Which government agencies lie? While the answer is a bit vague it appears self evident to me that lying is pervasive & a common practice in Washington.
        I would ask that your standards of reference be applied to the claimant regarding the safety of their vaccine.
        Part of the issue at hand is that what you or I find as information from a good source is not of value if the other doesn’t agree with the credibility.
        It seems obvious that bad or dangerous mediation is placed on the market quite often. Am I wrong? The overall skepticism I perceive to exist is warranted.

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          “However I remain of the opinion that: The FDA, CDC, AMA, ect are not in place for the protection of the populace but to further their own economical interests.”

          Why should we care about your “opinion” on any scientific subject? The issues on vaccines are scientific, and now that you mention it some are economic. Your “opinions” are worthless unless backed up by real data.

          First what regulatory responsibility is held by the American Medial Association, which is a large private professional organization supported by very high fees required of its members (not every MD belongs)?

          Second what kind of economic interests are their for a federal regulatory agency (FDA) and public health agency (CDC)? Be specific.

          And third, explain how the economics of the recommended vaccine schedule is detrimental to the public. Provide actual verifiable studies to support your statements. Here is an example of an valid economic study of a vaccine schedule: Economic Evaluation of the Routine Childhood Immunization Program in the United States, 2009. If you find errors or reason to doubt that paper, please explain them carefully with supporting documents from qualified authors (no coconut oil sellers).

          “Am I wrong? The overall skepticism I perceive to exist is warranted.”

          We can’t tell because you provide no evidence to back up your statements. Until then we will be skeptical of your claims.

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      http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2014/02/22/is-the-cdc-hiding-data-about-mercury-vaccines-and-autism/

      Wrong again.. Your insistence on backing your opinion with fake “news” stories is both sad and rather childish. Yet again the U of Google proves that you’ll stop where your opinion ends.. Facts are lost on you.. I bet you even post The Onion articles when they agree with your opinion too!!

  39. 

    I should add that I don’t think all vaccines are bad. Some are the better choice over the risk of not. I do however believe cause for concern & the lack of trust is with merit.

  40. 

    follow the money … >> http://vactruth.com/2012/01/09/document-shows-merck-paid-doctors/

    paul offit (the pro vaccine go-to guy) has a patented vaccine so he has financial reasons to peddle his bullshit … >>>http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/offit-congressional-reprimand/

    what’s wrong with the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? ..>>http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions/vaccine-epidemic

    The 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act acknowledges that vaccine injury or death may be “unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and accompanied by proper directions and warnings.” 42 U.S.C. 300aa-22(b)(1). The “unavoidable” language in the Act is from the Restatement (Second) of Torts that applies to “products which, in the present state of human knowledge, are quite incapable of being made safe.” Restatement (Second) of Torts Section 402A, comment k (1965).

    How much do drug manufacturers pay doctors who speak positively about their products?…>>> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703712504576233032397911512

    Vaccine supporters say vaccinations are the reason most diseases have been eradicated? but is this true.. >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/104031930/DI-Ch15-the-Amazing-Decline

    The Supreme Court declared vaccines to be “Unavoidably Unsafe” .. >>http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

    Vaccines are all about money >>> http://over-vaccination.net/

    Who says there is no money is vaccines .. >>> http://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011-billions-vaccine-manufacturers/

    Doctors against vaccines : Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Dr. Suzanne Humphries, Dr. Garth Nicholson, Dr. Richard Moskowitz.

    and if something goes wrong, vaccine makers (and doctors) have legal immunity from prosecution..>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0222/Parents-can-t-sue-drug-firms-when-vaccines-cause-harm-Supreme-Court-says
    .
    .>>http://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/march-2011/no-pharma-liability–no-vaccine-mandates-.aspx

    A history of smallpox and the first vaccine . . >> http://www.scribd.com/doc/99366449/05-Smallpox-and-the-First-Vaccine

    what doctors really know about vaccines. . >> http://vactruth.com/2012/07/31/what-your-doctors-know/

    financial incentive for doctors to fully vaccinate. .>> http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/vaccines/do-doctors-have-financial-incentive-get-their-patients-fully-vaccinated

    collection of quotes from doctors about vaccines. . >> http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/doctors.php

    herd immunity myth.. fear mongering to force vaccination.. >> http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/02/18/the-deadly-impossibility-of-herd-immunity-through-vaccination-by-dr-russell-blaylock/

    great must watch documentary on vaccines . . >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsVTlMsQrI

    big pharma in same bed with CDC. . >> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/08/02/merck-flu-vaccine-conflicts.aspx

    doctors bribed to speak positive of drug companies . . >> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/02/bribery-affects-vaccination-rates.aspx

    how pediatricians are trained to answer vaccine questions like salespeople. . >> http://www2.aap.org/immunization/pediatricians/communicating.html

    is it really about the money?…>> http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/how-can-it-be-about-the-money-immunizations-are-free-right/

  41. 

    Let’s see here. What I’m getting from most of these comments is that all vaccines cause autism, right?

    So, let me introduce you to a special little disease I like to call smallpox.

    Smallpox was a virus that would create blisters on the skin, was highly infective, and highly deadly. In its run on human lives, it killed 300 to 500 million people just in the 20th century.

    However, you never hear about it anymore, do you? That’s because its all but been eradicated.

    By vaccines.

    After all, it was a virus. Antibiotics wouldn’t have worked.

    “But you said all but been eradicated!”

    Ah, very astute of you to notice that. Smallpox still does exist, but it is held in labs in Atlanta and Russia under security.

    “Why don’t we get the vaccines anymore? It must be something to do with the vaccines themselves!”

    Well, for one thing, its gone.

    Poof.

    Disappeared.

    And, if you think the vaccine causes autism, then check yourself if you did get it, or ask your parents, or any other person that was alive in the 60s to 70s. They most likely got it. Anybody who were kids during that time got it too!

    That is all I have to say for now. Comment if you want, but you don’t have to.

  42. 
    universal souljah August 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    A CDC scientist, spokeswoman on vaccines said the science was settled. Anyone in science KNOWS that science is never or seldom settled. The truth is that vaccines are effective because of our own immune system is stimulated by them. Irrespective of vaccines, we do have an immune system that works if you arenot immuno-compromised.

    We do not need vaccines to live, if we did no one would be alive today. In fact, natural exposure to disease will strengthen your immune system and convey life long immunity to the same specific pathogen in most cases. Vaccines rarely give life long immunity, which is why you need booster shots.

    My immunolgy and virology professor told me all medicines are poisons; they are poisons given in small increments. Vaccines are not just vaccines: they have other chemicals, carcinogens, animal cell and blood products, preservatives, and adjuvants that cause mild to serious side effects. This cannot be ignored when injecting all these shots in young babies. We are all slightly biochemically unique beings and how each person reacts to these injected chemicals is different.

    Just as we have to take the side effects into consideration with other medications, we should also with vaccines. Many pediatricians do not know why they are administering vaccines and it is peer pressure from the medical/scientific/pharmaceutical industrial complex.

    Side effects ARE an issue. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. There is a reason the vaccine makers and even doctors have immunity from liability for vaccine injuries, because they DO occur.

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      “A CDC scientist, spokeswoman on vaccines said the science was settled”

      Please provide the name, and a link to the original quote so it can be read in context.

      This statement “We do not need vaccines to live, if we did no one would be alive today” indicates that this one is questionable: “My immunolgy and virology professor.” You obviously did not learn that diseases are not 100% fatal, there are always survivors. Diseases, and starvation because those who procured food were sick, wiped out 90% of the native population of both American continents. That leaves at least 10% who survived. Read Plagues and Peoples by William H. McNeill.

      “Side effects ARE an issue.”

      Certainly, but what are they compared to those of the actual diseases? I have a suggestion, instead of “argument from blatant assertion” or “I have witnessed it with my own eyes”, try to actually provide some evidence. Choose one vaccine on the American pediatric schedule, and then provide the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers comparing the relative risk between the vaccine and its intended disease. If you believe the MMR vaccine is dangerous, then show that it causes more harm than measles.

      Here is some additional reading for you:
      Historical Comparisons of Morbidity and Mortality for Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the United States

      And this older 1985 paper that was published a bit over ten years after the MMR vaccine was introduced in the USA, note how it compares the diseases and does address the known risk from the vaccine in its appendix:
      Benefits, Risks and Costs of Immunization for Measles, Mumps and Rubella

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